I was kinda hoping this was going to end with him pinned against a large grate.. Being this stupid should hurt, a lot.
http://vimeo.com/100950725
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I was kinda hoping this was going to end with him pinned against a large grate.. Being this stupid should hurt, a lot.
http://vimeo.com/100950725
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If I had a dime for every time someone did something dangerous, I would be rich.
If I wished ill will on someone doing something dangerous and then commented as such and posted a video on an internet forum, I would be an asshole.
Bummer guess we arnt bffs. What ever will I do..Quote:
Originally Posted by jhood001
Oh, we're good. I would buy you a beer any time. I'm just posting my view on your post on the internet. Just like you posted your view on a video of a guy physically challenging his environment on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback
Physically challenging his environment... haha that's a stretch.
Kayaking a river I can see, not that I personally am into that sort of thing but I can see the appeal. A river you have a chance of self rescuing if you were to flip or what ever.
Whats your exit game when you come up against a large obstruction that you cant paddle around in one of those tunnels?
Edit: Just makin sure :D
This guy is a first class selfish moronic prick.
We need a shit-load of chlorine in the gene pool, and we need it fast.
I, too, disagree with the whole "challenging his environment" bullshit. Simply because that's all it is: Bullshit.
This guy, and others like him, are glory hounds who needlessly take extreme risks with no consideration for the safety or well-being of those who may be called in to rescue or recover him from his own selfish stupidity if one of the thousands of possible bad scenario's unfolds.
It needs to become very clear public policy from the local level all of the way to the national level that anyone willing to take an "extreme risk" will do so with the knowledge that there will be no rescue, no aid, no negotiations for you, and recovery of your body will only occur if/when nobody else is put at risk. For extreme risks, both Murphy & Darwin will be re-instated their proper authority and mankind will once again step aside.
This policy also needs to cover those dumb asses who think doing crap like hiking along the Iraqi-Iranian border or sneaking into North Korea is somehow a good idea.
Agreed, boss. But I still don't wish the man harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
I don't "wish" the man harm, but we both know if he keeps up stunts like this it's coming (and is overdue). The question is: How many others will be harmed because of this selfishness?Quote:
Originally Posted by jhood001
I hear ya. My issue with the OP wasn't with what the fellow in the video did. It was with the 'hope' that his actions ended in tragedy.
I think there is a fine line between being adventurous and endangering others. I think people should pursue and push their limits in all regards. Danger is always a possibility when we adventure. And people that choose their life's work as rescue are pursuing danger themselves... For their own reasons.
I saw this video of Haley's the other day. At no point did I consider what he was doing to be a stunt. Probably because I have read enough about the man doing the action to believe he knows what he's doing. Maybe I should have spent the time to research the fellow in the kayak to find out if he passed my personal perception test as to who is and who isn't qualified to participate in thrill seeking.
Regardless, great video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZUh1IUNkrw
Most of our rivers during run off would be as hard or harder then that. Just my $0.02 though.
THIS. So much.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
Jesus. H. Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by jhood001
Since all we do is argue semantics around here how about this..
I said he was an idiot, I hope he ended up pinned against a large grate and that being that stupid should hurt, a lot.
Where did I directly wish harm on him? You inferred that from my comment about the grate.
Take this story for example:
Guy "challenges environment", takes a 1/2 mile ride down river using his jeep as a canoe/submarine, and gets to clean some turds out of his pants.
LESSON LEARNED(hopefully), and you know what? Ill bet it hurt a little bit.
Chad Nobles needs some of that, before he gets a fire fighter killed trying to fish his stupid ass out of one of those tunnels.
http://www.ktvq.com/news/jeep-pulled...d-cost-of-10k/
Jeep pulled from Yellowstone River at estimated cost of $10K
BILLINGS - The 2010 Jeep Rubicon that was driven into the Yellowstone River at Sportsman's Park on Sunday has been removed, but not for cheap.
State game warden Kevin Holland said Tuesday that the vehicle was removed by the Billings Flying Service. The Jeep was secured by its roll bar and the doors were left open to drain water as it was lifted by a helicopter out of the river.
Billings Flying Service flew it to a neighboring field where a wrecker removed the waterlogged and destroyed Jeep.
Holland would not divulge the amount it cost the vehicle's owner to get the Jeep removed from the river, but he did say it cost "thousands" for the helicopter service.
Gary Blain, co-owner of the Billings Flying Service, said the total cost was close to $10,000.
Another co-owner, Al Blain, flew a Sikorsky S-61 helicopter to pull the Jeep out of the river.
On top of paying to get the vehicle out of the river, the driver was cited for driving in an unauthorized area, a misdemeanor. The fine amount is up to a judge's discretion, but ranges from $0 to $500.
Holland said it is illegal to drive a vehicle into a fishing access for recreation other than to launch a boat into the river.
Officials said the Jeep went into the river at about 7 p.m. Sunday when three men and one woman were "having fun recreating." They drove the Jeep past the high-water mark and it was quickly swept away in the current.
The four were rescued by boat. The Jeep was carried a half mile down river.
Hmmm, I'm guessing that you haven't kayaked much.. Other than the speed it looks pretty easy to me, looks like it wold have been fun though you can see the video jump forward in a ton of places which means that there were a lot of flat boring sections in between. As having kayaked a bit in my past I would say that they have most likely walked (scouted) the ditch multiple times beforehand and would know all of the possible obstructions and where it goes.. Getting pinned against a large grate? Didn't see it happen and if there was a grate at any point they would have likely seen it when they scouted the thing earlier..Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback
I agree with the other poster above.. Boulder Creek above town at any level would be harder and more dangerous than this.
With Affordable Health Care anything is allowed.
Get hurt, no worries!!!!
This is the fastest way to death or someone else's who tries to save you.
Armchair QB Fail. Re read and try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Not sure what there is to re-read.. Talk about armchair qb'ing.. How much whitewater kayak experience do you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback
People have been running drainage and irrigation ditches throughout Colorado for decades. Some of them are pretty famous runs..
sent from a soup can and some string..
That looks about a tenth as dangerous as a class 4 or 5 whitewater. I would hope he walked it first to make sure there were no obstructions other than that is was a cake walk. he barely had to paddle. It actually looked like it would be fun.
My concern would be, how many young boys saw him go by, or saw the video, and are now thinking of jumping in on an inner-tube or raft during the next flood?
Dead kids are fished out of our drainage ditches every year.
Setting a bad example.
Kids don't need to see this video to get the idea to ride a tube down a drainage ditch. Not exactly sure how this is "stupid". It's a concrete drainage ditch with a foot, maybe two of water in it. If this is "extreme" to you then I shudder to think what your daily lives are like.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
That drainage ditch goes behind my office ... had he been there when it was at his highest I seriously doubt he'd have survived (especially when he slammed into the bridge at Chestnut ... or the back side of La Bagette restaurant).
We all stepped out right after the rain subsided yesterday afternoon and it was almost out of its banks and moving at least 60mph.
Looks fun to me..
In that case all extreme skiing should be banned in case some kid might watch someone jump a cliff and decide to do it themselves..Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
sent from a soup can and some string..
Lol I don't have any. If you had read the the thread you would know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
And FYI that's a city owned waste water drainage not a river.
If you can't understand why it's not smart to enter a waste water drainage well.. I don't know what to tell ya..
So since you sound like you know about kayaking def90 what's the proper kayak manuver to enter one of those tunnels when the water level is 18 inches off the roof instead of 8 ft.
Just curious. .
Looks like the Springs needs to clean the foliage out of their ditches.
Guess I'm not seeing the extreme or the stupid. Well, the need to video and post everything to the interweb is on the stupid side. Looks more like a sped up log ride. My "guess" would be that the area was scouted beforehand.
Lots of fast moving water but no real obstacles. Looks within the ability of a moderately skilled kayaker with appropriate equipment.
I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I wanted to share my white water adventuring:
http://youtu.be/89vuJcl6pmQ
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Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback
Anyone care to answer this one?
AhPook?
Only kayaked a few times. My guess would be to duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback
I didn't realize all the cool kids were doing it.. that changes everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Hahaha classic.
LOL. My point was you could easily find yourself in a situation where there isn't enough room for you and all the water in the tunnel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ah Pook
A good parent should warn their children about the dangers that surround them in this world and instill fear of things like fast moving water.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Your asking a hypothetical but 1. Do not put your self in that situation by scouting or just not doing it. 2. If you do end up in that situation you do what you need to do. If you need a specific maneuver knowing that there is at least 6 feet of water below you a roll or a wet exit might do the trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback
It's called scouting.. It's easy to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback
sent from a soup can and some string..
I must be one of those kids, because I thought that was awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Awesome video. Yes it was dangerous, but so is living. I guess maybe we should now ask that urban kayaking be outlawed, and or regulated and taxed by our government.
I'm inferring a 'gray area' consensus from the disagreement here. Which is that we don't seem to have enough info to judge this scenario properly. I agree with my personal inference.
We are making assumptions on either side as to what the persons skill level was and how much scouting they did before they ran the ditch.
The two ends of the spectrum:
A) They just looked at the water and said "Hey, cool, lets go for a ride!" Then jumped in. Seems pretty damn dumb to me.
B) They are experienced at kayaking, and scouted the full route before hand to ensure that there were no obstacles or sections beyond their ability. Seems at least somewhat reasonable to me.
Without knowing which scenario we have here, we cannot really pass accurate judgement.
And, with what little I know about kayaks, I'm inclined to guess that kayaking (or rafting) white water in a fast, turbulent river is likewise pretty damn dumb without scouting, but reasonably acceptable given proper training and competency and a thorough scouting of your water before launch. Of course it is a sport that is never without risk, but it is a pretty popular sport none-the-less.
Now, on to Ginsue's comment:
That is something certainly worth discussing. Intentionally putting yourself in a situation that could kill would-be rescuers is clearly a liability that the person must take, and should not be a burden on the rescue personnel. Like everything else though, if we want to talk about this objectively, where is the line? How is it defined? Climbing a 14er might be considered extreme to some. And a quick moving storm, which can roll in over a matter of minutes on a BAD day, is certainly deadly up there. There are no trees, people are the tallest thing around on the top of the peak and lightning likes tall things. Should someone who breaks an ankle up there be given the same treatment as someone who kayaks down a drainage ditch? I'm sure there are plenty of 'blue' voters that think that USPSA multigun is pretty extreme, and that being near the range is a hazard to anyone. I don't agree, but you are kidding yourself if you think that will NEVER be proposed by the likes of Rhonda or her 'D' pals if we start an extreme sport / risky rescue law. I don't know the answer, I'm just proposing the hypotheticals for illustration and discussion. Perhaps collectively we can at least postulate a reasonable line.
Simply eating your favorite eggs and bacon with biscuits and gravy everyday could be posing a threat to 1st responders. How many people die suddenly when their hearts blow out due to poor health/lifestlye choices every year? How many kayakers die every year? Having your heart explode while you are driving 65 down I25 puts 1st responders at just as much if not more risk than this guy did. The 1st responder has t drive at high speeds through traffic to respond, then they need to stand on a highway full of distracted drivers and the drive at high speed once again to the hospital. Pretty much all kayak deaths in colorado become recovery operations where the search is called off until the waters lower. I'd be willing to guess that statistically the biscuits and gravy guy is a bigger hazard to those around them.
sent from a soup can and some string..
I've seen the light. I saw those people stuck on that roller coaster for hours till the fire department could rescue them.
Kids...Disney is out. Too damn dangerous!
P.S. Life is 100% fatal. There should be a law against it! [panic]
LOL. You guys are ridiculous.