GunSmoke In Denver

GunSmoke In Denver: AVOID

Sorry if this is a dupe, but the search function sucks. If you hadn't heard about what Gun Smoke is up to, you can find the information on KHOWs website with Tom Martino May 5 and 6.

Apparently, Gun Smoke charged a woman for a handgun purchase prior to running the NCIS check. She didn't pass the check, and the owner refused to give her a refund. Claimed he would consign the pistol for her and take his 20% off the cost. What an asshole. I'll make sure I never do business with them if their doing this.

When I searched "gunsmoke", the first link is...

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showth...light=gunsmoke

Tada [Tooth]

!@E(#@! Every single time I try to search on this site it gives me some crappy 4 word rule and doesn't run the search! Your internet fu is stronger than mine...

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I purchased my first rifle there. I then got my CCW with 4 of my friends.
Everyone was smiles. Shortly after those purchases my friends and I get a weird cold feeling from them.

I'll 2nd and 3rd this.

I never bought a gun from them but did have a lot of work done on a Commander before I knew better and took my CCW class there - The class was just because I couldn't find the original of any of my certs from the other classes I took, and Dick was cheap and over in an evening. Reminded me of a group of carnies, and not in the good way (there has to be something good about carnies, right?)

From nearly getting angry with me when I wouldn't accept a 2lb trigger on a carry gun, trying to charge me for replacing my adjustable Videki trigger because the 1991 came with plastic and since it was in there they must have done it, sending to the wrong company for the wrong finish, to stamping a huge copy of their logo on my slide, their gunsmithing services are as despicable as their sales practices.

I wasn't going to leave it in their bumbling hands to "make right", so I just paid for what was done right (as far as I could tell, it wasn't much) and got the hell out of there

This place just might have the biggest bunch of scumb bags in Denver.

Before I was familiar with the area and who was who, and what was what, I went in there after doing a Google search for gun stores Denver. They popped up and I am in that neighbor hood a couple times a week.

I was looking to get some work done on my 1911, so I stopped in there to check them out. Again, not knowing any better, a guy would walk in that place and they had 1911's everywhere, all the employees where wearing them. It seemed like the right place to take my gun.

I wanted a new trigger, trigger job, hammer, and beaver tail grip safety. They told me I could bring in my own parts so that way I knew for sure I was getting what I wanted......

I ordered all the parts from Brownells, got them in and they were just what I wanted. I brought all the parts and gun in to Gunsmoke, they told me 2-3 weeks. At the 3 week mark I called to check status, they told me it would be a couple more days....4 weeks.....5 weeks.....6 weeks......finally when I called them I said I needed the gun back and this was getting really frustrating. This was on a Thursday, Friday afternoon they called and said the gun was done and ready. I went by first thing Saturday morning. The gunsmith doesnt work Saturdays, so the dumb ass counter guy brings the gun out. ITS GOT THE WRONG FUCKING PARTS ON IT!!!!!! How in the world does this even happen, I told the guy these were not my parts and wanted to talk to the smith, he said he's not here today, but he probably put these on here because they are better......?????? Are you fuckin kiddin me, I spent almost $200 on the parts and got what I thought were the best ones and the ones they put on were junk, in fact the grip safety wasnt even a beaver tail, it was used and he ground it down so the hammer would work.

He said I could leave it there and the smith would call me and we could see what was up. I told him straight out "FUCK NO AND FUCK YOU" Of coarse they still charged me for it, thats fine I paid and the last thing I said to them as I walked out was, " I have never been deceived so badly by a company and I would mother fuck them to everyone EVERY chance i got" He tried to say something to me as I was walking out, but I just kept going, never heard what he said and don't really care.

What a bunch of low life scumb bags, I wouldn't go if it was the last place in the world and they had everything.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DONT EVER GO THERE AND PLEASE TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF LOW LIFES THESE PEOPLE ARE!!!!!

Oh, yeah and in the end, I ended up ordering all the parts AGAIN from Brownells and doing the mods myself........

Spleify, maybe you should give them another chance. I went in there to look for a shoulder stock for my 870 once. The guy insulted to my face the parts that I already had on the gun, and they had a bunch of poor condition factory synthetic stocks for the low low price of $98.

Haha you funny Stu, I will never go in there again. In fact when I drive past it a speed up so I can get by that shit whole faster [Driver] [M2]

I work right next door and was so excited to be so close to a gun store. I imagined killing all kinds of time over there. But they are dick heads so I don't even go in there any more. I shake my head when I actually see cars in the parking lot over there.

Yet people still go to that dickhead in Colorado Springs.......

Which one in the Springs? Dragon Man?

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Which one in the Springs? Dragon Man?

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Really? Dragon man has never been anything but wonderful to me and my friends.....

I don't know, I've never been down there. I've just heard various people say things like he is an outright criminal and stuff. Don't know anything about him personally.

Hmm... would like to talk to some of them. Again, I've never had any problems.

He's ret-mil (gunny if I remember correctly), multi-million dollar estate and assests due to his NFA bussiness. Very knowledgeable and will talk to you all day if you ask questions. He can be rude at times because he doesn't want Joe-Schmoe in there finger f'ing his weapons... which is completely understandable in my opinion. He has a HK MP5 F/A Navy in there I would love to hold and would definitely buy if I had the money!!

I'm out there quite a bit and he always gives me free range time, targets, etc. I personally like the guy. Now you have me curious as to what what others say about him...

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Hmm... would like to talk to some of them. Again, I've never had any problems.

He's ret-mil (gunny if I remember correctly), multi-million dollar estate and assests due to his NFA bussiness. Very knowledgeable and will talk to you all day if you ask questions. He can be rude at times because he doesn't want Joe-Schmoe in there finger f'ing his weapons... which is completely understandable in my opinion. He has a HK MP5 F/A Navy in there I would love to hold and would definitely buy if I had the money!!

I'm out there quite a bit and he always gives me free range time, targets, etc. I personally like the guy. Now you have me curious as to what what others say about him...

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I went there once about ten years ago to shoot and I will never go back. YMMV.

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I went there once about ten years ago to shoot and I will never go back. YMMV.

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Not sure what "YMMV" means... but Mr. Jerry, could you shoot me a PM and inform me as to why? I like to be aware of what I'm giving my money too.

YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary.


I went back and did a quick search and couldn't find any of the posts I was looking for.

I could not find anything on Dragon Arms either.

Lets start a new thread on Dragon Arms instead of derailing this thread on Gunsmoke even further.

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Lets start a new thread on Dragon Arms instead of derailing this thread on Gunsmoke even further.

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My apologies.

[Beer]


Back to gunsmoke... That was a decent TV show.... oh wait... hehe

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My apologies.

[Beer]


Back to gunsmoke... That was a decent TV show.... oh wait... hehe

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^ hahaha

Yes, please, lets get back to how much Gunsmoke sucks!! They are the worst.


Ok, we are bck on track now......

When was it that they botched your 1911? Do you remember the name of the counter guy or the smith that worked on it?

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Yes, please, lets get back to how much Gunsmoke sucks!! They are the worst.


Ok, we are bck on track now......

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I would say it was September or October of last year. No, unfortunately I dont remember there names. If I heard the names of some of the smiths there it might ring a bell.

I dropped in there earlier this year mid-week- wierd place- had about 6 people "working" everyone wanted me to take their CCW class like Rev Jones was speaking and the punch was going to be good and cold-
of the eleven handguns in stock- they didn't know what they had and while wondering if I was on candid camera.... two people brought guns in with gunsmithing work that was recently completed and both had questions/problems?

seems more like bun-smoke to me......

I've been in there before, but never bought anything. I never really got a good feel from the place. I chatted with one of the smiths about doing some work on a rifle and he seemed to know a little bit of jack and a lot of sh*&.

Didn't realize it was this bad though. Damn. I appreciate the info though. Thanks guys!

I used to work less than a block away from there. Ever since I'm not that close, I've lost weight, make more money, and sleep better.



Seriously, that place sucks balls.

The amazing part is no one from there has commented on CO-AR15 ... if they even know it exists.

Z

While not lending opinion either way I would like to relay an experience a gent I know had:
He had a pair of new matching Colt Lightweight Defenders he took there for the "Full House" treatment. Pistols were there just short of ONE YEAR.
He gets the call that they were ready and picks them up. Huge logo etched/sandblasted into the side of the slides and probabley .050 deep and illegible. Facet work was performed to slide stop, safety and mainspring housings with what appeared to be a cut off wheel in a Dremel. No symmetry, just random cuts with no pattern of varying depth and length. Interior of one slide had big Dremel cuts in the locking lug area for unknown reasons.
Triggers, one had a gritty and creepy pull that broke at 6# 12 oz with considerable overtravel. The other had measurable take up and broke at 5# 3 oz and not enough travel, sear was bumping the half cock notch and the sear nose was ruined.
One had failure to extract issues, the extractor had been "Polished" to the extent that not enough hook was available to reliably catch the case rim. Both were under tensioned.
One pistol would not go into battery consistently.

He chose not to take them back there for repair.
Both run 100% now.


Draw your own conclusions.......................................

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Huge logo etched/sandblasted into the side of the slides and probabley .050 deep and illegible.

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Jeez, I was pissed but sounds like I got off pretty good. Just like the billboard on my Ruger's, I've learned to ignore their logo. I'm not happy about it, but it's better than a 12 lb trigger

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Appears the only work that they do well is their logo. [ROFL1]

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I hear they put their logo on guns to make sure you don't leave anything behind when you wipe your ass with your gun and throw it through their window.

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Jeez, I was pissed but sounds like I got off pretty good. Just like the billboard on my Ruger's, I've learned to ignore their logo. I'm not happy about it, but it's better than a 12 lb trigger

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That logo is not too bad, the ones on the pair took up the entire front of the slide. Huge with not much definition, looked like a picture out of focus.

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The amazing part is no one from there has commented on CO-AR15 ... if they even know it exists.

Z

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They'd never make it past the Rabbit.....


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If any shop engraved THEIR logo on MY gun, I'd sue their asses! I'm not advertising for ANYBODY! I won't drive a car off a lot until their dealership badge is removed, and I won't even wear Harley t-shirts anymore. Want me to advertise your business? Let's discuss appropriate ad rates.

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If any shop engraved THEIR logo on MY gun, I'd sue their asses! I'm not advertising for ANYBODY! I won't drive a car off a lot until their dealership badge is removed, and I won't even wear Harley t-shirts anymore. Want me to advertise your business? Let's discuss appropriate ad rates.

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lol, rgr that.

Geez, their have been some bad experiences.

On a good note, my buddy had a deformed gas port in his Mini-14 barrel and they did a good job reshaping it. It took 6 weeks, but....

I recently called about doing some non-destructive testing (magnetic partical inspection or dye penetrant) on an AK-47 trunion and they said it would take 6 weeks and $150. I just can't wait that long.

Question for the people that have the logo on their guns.
Were you informed, ahead of time, they were going to do it?
Did you agree to it?

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I won't drive a car off a lot until their dealership badge is removed, and I won't even wear Harley t-shirts anymore. Want me to advertise your business? Let's discuss appropriate ad rates.

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You just roll on the ground laughing if you'd seen the looks I've gotten from car salesmen when I demanded they either remove their logo's from the vehicles I purchased from them or pay me $1000 for short-term advertising fees (yeah, short-term as in "just until I drive off your lot").

They've removed the sticker logos but thought they were pretty cute by leaving their logo'd license plate frame on. I've wanted to remov them right their on their lot, pull out black spray paint, paint over the logo, and re-attach the frame. - I just wait to do that @ home. I have driven back onto their lots within a day with the frame painted over (did it just last June when I traded in my truck for another truck). It was clear to me that they noticed, they just didn't say anything.