Down the tubes goes GM. Socialized car anyone? And what did happen to the bailout money? Oh let me guess....no one knows. I got a better one....in some libs pocket!
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Down the tubes goes GM. Socialized car anyone? And what did happen to the bailout money? Oh let me guess....no one knows. I got a better one....in some libs pocket!
This is what happens when you give money to a company instead of letting them do their own thing. Either way I knew they were going to go to court.
The bailout money may have saved a few jobs... but that won't last either.
Good job NObama [Bang]
a huge loss....I hear they are getting rid of hummer, saturn and a couple others....I hope they keep the Hummer H1 for the military.
all i know is they better honor my warranty for my new GMC.
wonder what the rebates are going to be like now?
That is a different company sniper, AMGeneral supplies humvees.
Buy germans! [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
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Originally Posted by blackford76
oh! good to know! i was scarred my one and only vehicle I ever want in the world would not be made any more.
No one should want an H1 Hummer for any reason. The motor sucks. There is no seating room. It is pig slow. It has terrible blind spots. Most of the used ones I drove had broken power steering pumps and trying to turn the wheel from a stop was retarded difficult. Need I go on?
Sniper, H1's havent been in production for a couple years now...
Don't worry, you can still buy a used one from Medved with a $17,000 mark up and take it back every 30 days for repairs though. Ask me how I know.
MB888,Buy germans! [ROFL1]
The German gov't is actually involved in the GM furball. They are buying Opel from GM/US Gov't. Hussien Obamer told GM they have to sell Pontiac, Hummer, Saturn and Saab. Also told them to close more US plants,and dealerships. BUT told the mexicans that all was good, thier plants wont be affected.[Bang]
What a coincidence, a friend just sent this to me today.
http://www.e-squillace.com/Funnies/M...n_and_Hell.jpg
Buy AMGeneral surplus... dont buy GM H1.
http://militarysurplusvehiclesofdallas.com/id81.html
http://www.xhumvee.com/
or project hmmwv
Join the military and you won't want a used surplus vehicle after you see how they get used and repaired.
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Originally Posted by blackford76
yeah I knew that...plus I couldn't afford a new one...$110K...
always wanted a yellow soft top.
I always thought it would be cool to get an old military one, paint it flat black with the punisher skull on the hood, tailgate and each door!
Don't worry, Obamer said the warranties will still be honored, it now falls on us taxpayers.
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Originally Posted by MB888
those are awesome but pretty damn expensive.
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Originally Posted by blackford76
great, so now I am paying extra to support my own warranty[Bang]
Its a win if your a Marxist!
http://radioactiveliberty.com/wp-con...little-car.jpg
Look on the bright side, I just bought a new jeep, and the Gov't said chrysler had to sell to fiat. You can't afford to drive a jeep without a warranty. JEEP, just empty every pocket. Ford is the only American car left.
Guys should have bought Ford in the first place. The only company to not take a bail out as well.
+1000 on that. I work on them daily. They're slow, uncomfortable pieces of poorly up armored shit. I mean, why desigin a safe vehicle to begin with? Lets just add 1000 lbs of ceramic plates to the doors. That'll help.Quote:
Originally Posted by GunTroll
quote-The1andOnlyKCGuys "should have bought Ford in the first place. The only company to not take a bail out as well."
I have 10 Fords in my driveway right now. My '01 w/ 165k has fewer squeeks and rattles than my '08 grand cherokee w/ only 11k.
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Originally Posted by RRD3
unfortunately it didnt save a single job...they are forcasting over 21000 jobs lost. At minimum. So the feds are confiscating private businesses...next they will be owning the doctors and hospitals.
^I'd say that is an accurate assumption.
For my own knowledge I was googling around "socialism in America" today and read some interesting speeches given in the early fifties. The socialist of that time saw a vision of America. Their Socialized vision. Sad thing is their vision is our reality. This movement has been put into motion a long time ago. Small subtle well thought out strategic movements into our current socialistic wanna be state that we are in. If you don't think so you are blind. If you don't want to believe the powers to be are conspiring against the constitution you are dumb. It should be everyone's mission on this site to educate everyone you can just how bad this could be. I listened to a speech from some ex-commy who lives in the UK now and he was laughing at us (Americans) about the direction we are heading. Hell even Putin warns against this Marxist direction we are taking. IT didn't work so well for the Russians and that dope can see that. Are we a socialist country? No. Are we getting there? Yes. The saying of ..."Death by a thousand scratches" is so relevant. This is their tactic. It is working. Somewhere a spark is going to ignite a fire. Be ready!
I just tightened my tin foil hat chin strap. All is good on my end![ROFL1]
I did! I think I posted a picture of my 2007 Mustang. Nicest damn car I ever drove. Also planning on a Ford Focus for the wifey. She loved the one they loaned her when they were doing the certified preowned work on the Mustang. Everything on it is power, leather, moon roof and even has heated seats and mirrors for 18k after incentives and the extra $1,000 they take off for me being a Pepsi employee.Quote:
Originally Posted by The1andOnlyKC
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Originally Posted by cleaner72
Yep.... it was just a delay. Again.... Go NObama!
Socialist fuck-tard yeah!
this just sucks...I really don't want the .gov to own GM. we aren't going to get shit out if this whole mess.
fuck, now the GM employees may become .gov employees instead of private employees and get paid with federal funds...what does that mean? MORE TAXES!!!![Bang]
Obama isn't a socialist.
He has no organized ideology that you could really give a name. He has "stances."
Look back in time, to the 30s. The socialists then had a long-range vision, a consistent ideology, an intellectual, conceptual justification for what they were doing, and they fought for them with intellectual arguments. They were horribly wrong, but less evil than Obama, who has no vision, no ideology, no clue - just a lust for power.
Coincidentally, this is why conservatism was a non-ideology that was stillborn. It has never really had a consistent vision for America based on a principled stance on the role of government in an individual's life. Their stance has been "like it was before!" but that defaults on the very important intellectual justifications of what was better before and why it was better before. What arguments conservative "intellectuals" have typically given are laughably shallow, as well. If you take note of history, as well, the "conservative" movement has been gradually moving further and further into the "more government power" camp as well.
Obama is what is left of the socialist movements from the turn of the last century - a non-ideological power-grubber, far more like a fascist than a socialist. That conservatism cannot defeat that is testimony to just how powerless the movement is.
Tomato ,tomato. Looks like he has you fooled. Maybe not a stereo typical socialist but that is the idea. If he or they(socialist) came out swinging and proclaiming "we are now changing or government structure to a more socialist one" then they would get served. But if they beat around the bush and do there calculated moves as they are doing now then they are gaining momentum toward the socialist goal. Expand health care,unemployment compensation,taxation,government meddling into private business,market manipulation through "bail-outs", more government programs,etc........Does this not seem Socialized at least a bit to you???? Far from just a non-ideological power-grubber my friend. He has fooled the masses here in America. Or maybe we are just so screwed the masses knew and didn't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
Ummm.... when you take over a private company with tax payer money. Or print up money that does not exist to gain 72 1/2 percent of the company. That is SOCIALIST!
They will start taking over the banks and now there are talks of bailing out news papers. When the government owns private companies, banks and the media what in the fuck do you call it? No vision? Power hungry? No... fucking Socialism with a very close tie to Communism. When you control all the money as well as control the voice of the media that's a communist state.
HAHA! I was just thinking that I was getting on him so I came back into change my post but after reading yours I'll just leave it. You got me re-fired up. FUCK Socialism or the watered down intro version of it we are in now!
Socialists have specific ideology, intellectual arguments, etc.
Obama (and the democratic party) are explicitly anti-ideology. They struggle mightily to never identify what their specific, concrete acts are working towards. This has been the pattern for years and Obama is not very much different in that regard. (Conservatives do the same thing, but we're talking Obama here.)
Do not mistake their anti-ideology for a clever masking of an explicit socialist conspiracy. That gives them a credit they have not earned.
Edited to add: By the standards of RRD3, we've been "socialist" since the late 1800s, since government has owned some entities that should have been private since then, and possibly since the founding.
"Socialist" is a specific state where the government owns all or almost all exterprises, controls the economy, etc. America is properly described at the moment as a "mixed economy" - ie somewhere between absolute freedom and absolute bondage. I am not attempting to say that this is good, but tossing around 'socialism' with such loose standards is a bad idea.
Already talked about the subtleness of there actions. Never coming out with their motives is by designQuote:
Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
They are earning that "credit" as you call it right now!
I have no comment about when the "socialized movement " started.
And how are they the GOV not attempting to control the economy now! You watch or read any news?
What bad idea do you speak of....? It is what it is!
Just because the Dems or Obama isn't smart enough to have a plan doesn't mean that they are not moving towards a socialist government. Just because there are some entities that "should" have been part of private enterprise does not mean that what they are doing now is ok or should be taken lightly.
I understand what socialist is. Do you think they are going to come in and say "We own everything now fuckers"? No.... they take it little by little so it's made to look like something else. Like fucking bail outs.
What else do they need to take over? Medicine? Oh.... I think that's in the works. Media? in the works? Airlines? We'll see that soon as well. Again... I do not need to be slapped int he face to see what direction we are heading and the direction this "socialist? party wants to take our country.
But that's just my .02 and as time goes by I think more will start to see it the same way.
But when is it too late to see the effects of what this administration is doing? Can it be undone or will the sheeple think it's ok ?
well the Obama ass kissers think it's great.
I think the revolution is slowly boiling.
You are mistaken Pancho. Socialism is a broad description of an ideology.
Each socialist country has its own version of socialism. Many modern socialists are democratic... hence "the democratic socialism" which what our current govt is leaning toward ("Autocratic" Socialist England is a good sample as it is more democratic.)
Per the broad socialism definition (both marxist and non marxist), one can clearly say that Obama's agenda is socialist.
Currently US is still what they call Social Democratic (center-center left) w/ signs of Social Capitalist (Japan). We are moving further left each time a bail out, take over, consolidation is announced by the fed.
Keep in mind folks, NOT once in history a socialist economy compete successfully against capitalist one. On the other hand, countries such as Russia and China who are moving toward capitalism is doing GREAT!
A good sample of "democratic" socialist economy is England after the WWII. The Govt combined major aircraft companies British Aircraft Corporation, Hawker Siddeley and others into The British Aerospace. Major shipbuilding companies including Cammell Laird, Govan Shipbuilders, Swan Hunter, and Yarrow Shipbuilders were also 'consolidated' into National name brands. The consolidations were results of "COMPULSORY PURCHASE" of the industry with minimal compensation by the central govt; Sound familiar?
Since then, what was the world #1 innovator, economy, scholar, and cultural center could not compete with American inventions, economy power, etc.
Yep!^^^^^ +1
I wonder if/and when the UAW will take some credit for the demise of GM. They should bear the full blame but thats just how I feel about unions. Bad for business. Greedy grubbers the UAW is.
Gonna Rise Up,,,you gotta watch hm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFiab7fjak
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