Gun Control Purchased for $10 Million in WA

UPDATED

This is what the bad guys are willing to spend to take our rights away. It is not only gun control but total control of every aspect of our lives. $10,000,000 is what the anti-freedom billionaires spent in WA to pass some of the harshest gun control laws in the nation. $10,000,000!!!! When I think of the good that that money could have been used for ...

It was successful in WA, anybody want to bet that we are in the crosshairs of these elitist A-holes? We stood up on our hind legs and pushed back. They don't like that and they will be coming for us again. They will need to beat us down to show everyone that they are our betters and we must be put in our place at their feet, groveling for the scraps of our lives that they allow us to have.

What is $10,000,000 to Bloomberg, gates, etc.? Nothing at all. In WA they spent $10,000,000 to pass the bill 60% to 40%. The good guys were able to fight it with about $500,000 from the NRA and whatever else they could raise. I hope that they can get the funding to take this to court and get it overturned.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepol...y-9-5-million/

It sounds like they spent a lot of money to make background checks mandatory in many instances where they're already mandatory...internet sales. Also, BGCs are already required when purchasing firearms at gun shows from dealers. All this really accomplished is making BGCs mandatory on private sales. Beyond that we already know the extent to which progressives will lie and distort the truth to get what they want.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

It sounds like they spent a lot of money to make background checks mandatory in many instances where they're already mandatory...internet sales. Also, BGCs are already required when purchasing firearms at gun shows from dealers. All this really accomplished is making BGCs mandatory on private sales. Beyond that we already know the extent to which progressives will lie and distort the truth to get what they want.

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I makes it a felony for me to let you shoot my 686 at the range (if we lived in WA). It is a lot more than making BGC's mandatory for private transfers. They will be coming for us as soon as they can refine the process in a couple more "easy" states so they will know exactly what buttons to push in the mob mentality to satisfy their superior egos.


TEA

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

All this really accomplished is making BGCs mandatory on private sales.

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This is exactly what they wanted you to believe. It's ANY kind of transfer. Want to shoot my gun at the range? Sure, let's go to an FFL and transfer it to you. And back to me when we're done. And pay the FFL twice.

We're about to lose an entire generation of shooters in Washington. Can't transfer a rifle to someone under 18, can't transfer a handgun to someone under 21, putting a gun in their hands at the range == transfer with the new law, game over.

They know exactly what they're doing. If you can't introduce people to shooting, our numbers will dwindle to the point that they can go after the whole she-bang.

IMHO What happened in Washington shows that they can, and will buy elections. It negates any 2nd amendment gains we made elsewhere.

O2

I had only read the "synopsis". Obviously it didn't give the full story.

ETA: I'm certainly not defending the passage of the law, either. I just didn't get the whole story on it.

Anyone want to post the law as it reads? I'm on a phone with small keys so...

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

Anyone want to post the law as it reads? I'm on a phone with small keys so...

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Here it is.
GUN OWNERS YOU'RE FUKED. TODAY WA, TOMORROW CO.

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

Anyone want to post the law as it reads? I'm on a phone with small keys so...

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It's 18 pages long. Here's a link: http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/...alText_483.pdf

Excerpts:
Sec. 2.
(9) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or
projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
(10) "Gun" has the same meaning as firearm.

Sec. 3. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW
to read as follows:
(1) All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state
including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the
purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington,
shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by
state or federal law. The background check requirement applies to all
sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers
through a licensed dealer, at gun shows, online, and between
unlicensed persons.
(2) No person shall sell or transfer a firearm unless:
(a) The person is a licensed dealer;
(b) The purchaser or transferee is a licensed dealer; or
(c) The requirements of subsection (3) of this section are met.
(3) Where neither party to a prospective firearms transaction is a
licensed dealer, the parties to the transaction shall complete the
sale or transfer through a licensed dealer as follows:
(a) The seller or transferor shall deliver the firearm to a
licensed dealer to process the sale or transfer as if it is selling or
transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or
transferee, except that the unlicensed seller or transferor may remove
the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while
the background check is being conducted. If the seller or transferor
removes the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer
while the background check is being conducted, the purchaser or
transferee and the seller or transferor shall return to the business
premises of the licensed dealer and the seller or transferor shall
again deliver the firearm to the licensed dealer prior to completing
the sale or transfer.
(b) Except as provided in (a) of this subsection, the licensed
dealer shall comply with all requirements of federal and state law
that would apply if the licensed dealer were selling or transferring
the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee,
including but not limited to conducting a background check on the
prospective purchaser or transferee in accordance with federal and
state law requirements and fulfilling all federal and state
recordkeeping requirements.
(c) The purchaser or transferee must complete, sign, and submit
all federal, state, and local forms necessary to process the required
background check to the licensed dealer conducting the background
check.
(d) If the results of the background check indicate that the
purchaser or transferee is ineligible to possess a firearm, then the
licensed dealer shall return the firearm to the seller or transferor.
(e) The licensed dealer may charge a fee that reflects the fair
market value of the administrative costs and efforts incurred by the
licensed dealer for facilitating the sale or transfer of the firearm.
(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this
subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents,
children, siblings, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews,
first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift;
(b) The sale or transfer of an antique firearm;
(c) A temporary transfer of possession of a firearm if such
transfer is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm
to the person to whom the firearm is transferred if:
(i) The temporary transfer only lasts as long as immediately
necessary to prevent such imminent death or great bodily harm; and
(ii) The person to whom the firearm is transferred is not
prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law;
(d) Any law enforcement or corrections agency and, to the extent
the person is acting within the course and scope of his or her
employment or official duties, any law enforcement or corrections
officer, United States marshal, member of the armed forces of the
United States or the national guard, or federal official;
(e) A federally licensed gunsmith who receives a firearm solely
for the purposes of service or repair, or the return of the firearm to
its owner by the federally licensed gunsmith;
(f) The temporary transfer of a firearm (i) between spouses or
domestic partners; (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the
firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range
authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such
range is located; (iii) if the temporary transfer occurs and the
transferee's possession of the firearm is exclusively at a lawful
organized competition involving the use of a firearm, or while
participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group
that uses firearms as a part of the performance; (iv) to a person who
is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or
educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of
a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; or
(v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the
person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and
the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all
training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting,
provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is
permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not
prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; or
(g) A person who (i) acquired a firearm other than a pistol by
operation of law upon the death of the former owner of the firearm or
(ii) acquired a pistol by operation of law upon the death of the
former owner of the pistol within the preceding sixty days. At the
end of the sixty-day period, the person must either have lawfully
transferred the pistol or must have contacted the department of
licensing to notify the department that he or she has possession of
the pistol and intends to retain possession of the pistol, in
compliance with all federal and state laws.

Sec. 4. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW
to read as follows:
Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, a licensed dealer
may not deliver any firearm to a purchaser or transferee until the
earlier of:
(1) The results of all required background checks are known and
the purchaser or transferee is not prohibited from owning or
possessing a firearm under federal or state law; or
(2) Ten business days have elapsed from the date the licensed
dealer requested the background check. However, for sales and
transfers of pistols if the purchaser or transferee does not have a
valid permanent Washington driver's license or state identification
card or has not been a resident of the state for the previous
consecutive ninety days, then the time period in this subsection shall
be extended from ten business days to sixty days.

So it appears you can loan your gun to someone at the range.

(4) This section does not apply to:
(f) The temporary transfer of a firearm (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the
firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range
authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such
range is located;

Still is a revolting law.

O2

For those who like pictures:

(flowchart)
Attachment 51973

That sucks for them that they did not exclude C & R only antiques.

"(v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the
person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and
the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all
training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting,
provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is
permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not
prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; "

Since hunting isn't legal from the road or a vehicle, it's illegal under this law to transport the firearm, and thus it's de facto illegal to loan a gun for hunting unless you do it at the hunting site during legal hunting hours, and take it back at end of hunting hours. It's the same here in CO.

So, who's going to enforce this BS?

I can't even read this thread. Stuff like this makes me want to bury my head in the sand.

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So, who's going to enforce this BS?

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Same people that enforce Colorado's new gun laws... no one.

Wait, it is almost a de facto ban on "transferring" at a range: The gun must be permanently stored at the range in order for the section below to be valid.

So this will only work at a established (probably indoor) range that will store your guns on site.

Want to go to the local sand pit to have a friend try out a gun? You're both criminals.

Probably cheaper to get a civil union with a friend, go to the range, shoot and then come back and get it annulled. :)

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Originally Posted by O2HeN2

So it appears you can loan your gun to someone at the range.

(4) This section does not apply to:
(f) The temporary transfer of a firearm (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the
firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range
authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such
range is located;

Still is a revolting law.

O2

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http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politi...ly-next-month/

November 11, 2014 at 4:11 PM
I-594 opponents bringing their guns to Olympia rally next month

Posted by Joseph O'Sullivan
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Opponents of Initiative 594, the measure to expand gun-purchase background checks that voters approved this election cycle, have insisted it is so strict it would criminalize law-abiding gun owners who hand each other firearms, like at a gun-safety course.
Now, such opponents are going to test their understanding of the measure during a rally next month in Olympia, where they will bring their firearms to hand to each other.
I-594, which would take effect Dec. 4, would expand background checks currently mandated by federal law to private sales and transfers, such as some found online or at gun shows. Votersapproved it by what is now an 18-point margin, and a competing measure, I-591, to ban the state from enacting background check laws, failed.
The rally, scheduled for 11 a.m. Dec. 13 at the state Capitol, is being put together by Gavin Seimand Anthony Bosworth, according to the event’s Facebook page (screenshot above). Bosworth was a candidate for Yakima County sheriff who came in fifth in a six-way primary race in August. Seim was a candidate for Congress in the 4th District; he came in eighth out of 12 in the August primary.
“Will you bow down and lick the boots of tyrants, or will you stand for the liberty of your children?” reads the event page’s introduction. “I am Gavin Seim and I for one WILL NOT COMPLY!”
“We’re not waiting for politicians, judges or lawyers. Our birthright is NOT to be touched. We call on our Sheriffs, local representatives and legislators to stand with us and uphold their oaths,” reads the event’s Facebook page, adding later: “We will rally at the capital, openly exchange guns, unveil and plan to break apart the entire legislation and violate I-594 in every possible way. Because ALL law that violates the Constitution is not law, it is VOID!”
So far, nearly 6,000 people have indicated that they will attend the rally, according to the event page.
Geoff Potter, spokesman for the Washington Alliance for Gun Responsibility, which spearheaded the I-594 campaign, said the organization is aware of the rally, but didn’t comment further.
We sent an email to Seim to learn more details about the rally; we’ll update this when we hear back.

When we go visit my son and DIL over Thanksgiving, and take my carry with me, we're going to a range and we're all going to exchange guns to shoot.

Fuck them all right in the p**sy.