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I got an opportunity to test my four-letter-word vocabulary. Apparently, our %&$#%#@ dishwasher has been leaking furtively for two days. What I thought was melted snow that was tracked in was water seeping under the tiles from this useless appliance.
And yes, those are peel-n-stick tiles on the floor. because the previous homeowners were rocket surgeons.
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Fans, dehumidifiers and patience waiting for the floor to dry. If there's a basement get the fans going underneath that area. Oh Yeah Merry Christmas.
We didn't know ours leaked till i was under the house while the dw was going. I hear a lot of water running, then notice Niagara Falls coming from the kitchen upstairs. That was 6 months after the kitchen was redone, floors & cabinets.[facepalm]
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Originally Posted by TheGrey
I feel for ya; I just changed out the dishwasher in my rental. It was all backed full of food they decided not to rinse off the dishes. Water and gunk everywhere...what a nasty ****ing mess! ...three weeks later I got a call on the water heater...another PITA!
Good point- I've got a fan in the kitchen, but I'll get one in the basement as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Seriously- I'm about to drag this damn dishwasher outside and take our sledgehammer to it. Maybe I'll replace it with a 30" cabinet instead- storage space in the kitchen is at a premium anyhow. GE piece of SH*T.
I'm so angry that I sound like The Old Man from A Christmas Story.
What a pain! My folks used to be landlords. The crap their renters put them through was a good lesson to me never to go that route.Quote:
Originally Posted by MED
Least favorite is always the broken one.
I am unfortunately stuck with this house; paid on in 12 years now and i am still upside down because of the market crash. Instead of dumping it like everybody else, I tried to be responsible and keep it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
Hope your dishwasher project goes well with minimal water damage.
I called it before I even clicked on the thread. Sorry for your luck. You may be able to recover from the manufacturer if the leak was due to a defect (THE CHANCES ARE SLIM THOUGH). At least your insurance company would try to pursue the manufacturer depending on the cause of loss. How many rooms were affected by water? Watch that carpet. Mold can develop in as little as three days. Do you know what caused the leak?
DW is also my least favorite. They're such utter shitboxes.
Particularly when it's time to replace it. We haven't yet redone the kitchen and the brain surgeons that owned the house prior put in hardwood floors without pulling the cabinets. Most likely because they first put ceramic tile on the countertops (yuck) and married them to the countertop and wall. So we lost 1/2" of space and I have to use a sledgehammer to get the effing thing to fit and had to trim the bullnose edge on the counter to get it to close.
^ this, more times than I want to remember!!
What was leaking? Drain, supply or seals? As mentioned before, fans and air movement to dry it out, might even throw down some litter to help suck that water up
Just installed a 'new' model in a clients home that has a large flat pan beneath it with OPTIONAL leak warning wiring, like those water frogs. Good idea!
I'm not entirely sure. It seems like there was some dirty water that backed up into the bottom of the washer. I hadn't used it in a couple of days because it wasn't cleaning the dishes, so I'd done the dishes by hand. I noticed the dirty water leaking out of the bottom, so I put it through a rinse cycle and though everything was fine. That was two days ago. The floor was damp the following morning, but I thought it was due to snow being tracked in by my hubby. I was wrong!
I have a fan going, and the floor is drying nicely. A drop-ceiling tile in the basement has two areas of water damage. I've got to get one of those grid tiles, so it allows the air flow from the fan, while keeping the cats out of the ceiling.
Guess I'll have some questions for the floor guys on this forum.
You can turn this in to your insurance, but if you choose not to, just make sure you do everything you can to avoid mold. If you have a more serious claim down the road, and mold is discovered and determined to be from a prior loss (this event) then that portion of mold may not be covered on the new claim (depending on the situation).
tl:dr -- mold = bad. Avoid it.
P.S. Sorry for insurance talk, I know it's not helping you right now. If you're running fans, I'd pull the dishwasher out to get air back there, and probably remove the toe kick to make sure you can dry under the cabinets as well.
No worries about the insurance talk. It's good information. We already have a claim open due to the hailstorm, and because we dared to have a house fire in 2012, State Farm is treating us like a red-headed stepchild. It's not in our plans to mention anything more to them, lest they dump us before our roof is finished.
I'm going to see if I can't find someone to help me yank the damn thing clean out. This entire experience has soured me on having the offensive thing in my kitchen. Does anyone want a dishwasher?
We have fans running, learned how to turn off the water to the dishwasher, and mopped up as much as we can. I'm not sure how to go about removing the dishwasher from the space...I'll Youtube it and see what all needs to be unhooked and stuff.
It doesn't matter if State Farm dumps you before the roof is done, they still have to finish the claim (they'll probably drop you anyway). Just make sure you get that done within 180 days. Let me know if you have any questions. This would be a separate claim with a separate deductible, just so you know in case you decide to go that route.
Thanks! I'll contact you if I have any questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
This is now under my dishwasher and in my laundry room due to a friend's similar issue:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Basement-...-HWA/100038838
THAT'S a good idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by muddywings
There WAS a leak somewhere. We shut the water off to the dishwasher and after lots of drying and fans working, no more water seeping from below.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
I can fix or remove it for you. They have lots of places to leak.
I dont put disposals or dishwashers in any of my rentals for good reason.
Also locking handles on exterior doors.
PM sent! Let's talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
If you have an alarm system, water alarms can be added for about $20 each tied into the alarm system.
If the DW is not that old, you might have a claim against the manufacturer, even if you are leery of filing an insurance claim.
While I typically do failure analysis work for Insurance companies and attorneys, usually on claims over $100K, we have started doing more and more work for homeowners on product failures. We issue a report, and to date, not a single customer has failed to recover their losses in small claims court when it was a product defect. Of course, in many cases, abuse and or installation error can be an issue.
If you need some more info, feel free to send me a message. I put our two websites below.
http://pfacorp.com/pfacorp/
http://entropyec.com/
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkCO
After some discussion with someone qualified to diagnose the problem, (rather than just me kicking the dishwasher and muttering, "Damn broken thing!") it turns out that at least one of the issues is the way it's hooked up to our garbage disposal. The disposal tends to allow guck to siphon back into it. UGH.
I'm over it. I personally can't wait to haul the carcass of the DW out onto my driveway so I can go Office Space on it with a sledgehammer. I've already got happy little plans for that valuable space- I could put some canning supplies there, or put some of my oversized cookware on shelves....that DW is DEAD to me. DEAD.
My wife doesn't understand why I despise dishwashers. Too many problems. They cam leak, they're too loud (yes, even the new ones), you should semi-clean the dishes before you put them in the DW, etc. Nope, I'm much happier just washing the dishes in the sink and letting them dry on the counter. I think she likes the DW because it lets you put the dishes out of sight.
There IS something to be said about having a supersized dishrack that you can use. I know for the holiday parties, it was sure nice having a place for the dishes to dry.
I think that the concept of a dishwasher is incredibly attractive...it's the execution that's a disappointment.
It's a lesson learned. Show her the pictures of our kitchen floor, and let her know we have a week of fans whirring. Those dishwashers can turn and bite you at the worst time! :(
I just bought a new one a couple of weeks ago. I will say it is very silent compared to the old one.
Current plumbing code requires a separate drain for the DW, or so my plumber told me. Any changes to the plumbing require a retrofit. I'm really glad that when we remodeled the kitchen a couple of years back that we redid all the plumbing. Apparently, you can replace the DW without upgrading, but it's getting harder to find a disposal with the DW fitting these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
Yes! Apparently, ours has been "grandfathered". I can't understand how the people that lived here before us coped with the issue...Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
Sounds like appliance anger management issues!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
Oh, I'll manage my anger issues, all right. I have a nice sledgehammer in the garage, and I may just have to practice my John Henry impersonation on this GE piece of garbage...Quote:
Originally Posted by Singlestack
My biggest issue with the dishwasher is that I wash all the dishes before I put them in, and they still come out dirty sometimes. When I worked in a commercial kitchen, THAT dishwasher was AWESOME. You would just rinse the dishes, fill of a rack, slide it through and everything was washed in about 60 seconds. I'd love to have one at home. Why does my dishwasher take over an hour to get the dishes only half clean?
I was having that issue as well. Schmutz on otherwise-clean dishes? Embarrassing. Frustrating.
Possible heating element issue and or the drain cycle. Have you cleaned the bottom of the DW lately?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
We have been disposal free since the last house. Considering what gets dumped down there vs a compost pile really doeas a number on the sewer / drain pipes, over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
Our dishwasher's name is John. He's almost 14, but seems to do a better job as he ages. Hasn't leaked anything on the floor since he figured out what a toilet was for.
Overall an excellent purchase for us.
Well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
Lucky. It seems no matter how many times I show the cats what to do, they act like they don't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
Today I decided that if I'm going to scrub the dishes with soap first anyway, might as well just rinse them also and use the dishwasher as a large drying rack that is out of sight.
To the OP, I feel your pain.
Tuesday evening my daughter went downstairs to let the dogs in, then started screaming about water everywhere. Turns out the water heater split a seam and flooded the whole downstairs. No telling how long it was leaking before she discovered it.
Not how I wanted to spend the week. Times like these I wonder if owning is really better than renting.
Good news, the gun room/man cave was the only room not flooded.
Holy CRAP. That's awful. AWFUL. Hopefully the cleanup's easier than originally thought...Quote:
Originally Posted by blackford76