Should Students with Permits Be Allowed to Carry on College Campuses?

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07-21-2009, 20:38
Batteriesnare

Should Students with Permits Be Allowed to Carry on College Campuses?

With my permit looming in the (hopefully not to distant) future, and school season staring myself and my peers in the face, I found that my chosen public, state funded university will not allow me to carry a handgun concealed (legally) on their campus. I'm considering bringing it up first with the campus police, offering to train with their officers to prove my competence, or even offering my schedule, so that the "law" will know where I am on their property. Do these seem like legitimate options, or am I surrendering too much of my freedom to exercise my right? I know CSU recognizes state permits, CU does not (does that narrow it down?), but I think my university should.

Thoughts??
07-23-2009, 19:12
Batteriesnare

If you answered no, please 'splain yourself. Why should I not be allowed to exercise my second amendment right after jumping though all the government's hoops?
07-23-2009, 23:53
GunTroll

I said NO because higher education and guns don't mix. You might overload yourself with liberal garbage AKA:knowledge, and just say fuck it and put yourself out of misery. What would your parents think knowing they raised you and perhaps payed for this kind of education. Don't do this to them!
07-24-2009, 11:24
Delfuego

Not only no... but F*%k NO!
07-24-2009, 11:42
GunTroll

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Originally Posted by Batteriesnare

If you answered no, please 'splain yourself. Why should I not be allowed to exercise my second amendment right after jumping though all the government's hoops?

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

Not only no... but F*%k NO!

You failed to reply with a reason for your no. Care to elaborate Pedro?

By the way if you didn't pick up my dry humor.....I was joking. I'm a yes!
07-24-2009, 11:47
Rampart Runner

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Originally Posted by GunTroll

I said NO because higher education and guns don't mix. You might overload yourself with liberal garbage AKA:knowledge, and just say fuck it and put yourself out of misery. What would your parents think knowing they raised you and perhaps payed for this kind of education. Don't do this to them!

New Poll:

Should permit holders who carry on campus be allowed to register as students and attend classes? [Flower]
07-24-2009, 12:02
Irving

You should have to give the police your class schedule, but only if protesters and anyone else making public speeches or demonstrations does the same.
07-24-2009, 13:24
BadShot

Change schools if it actually means anything to you
07-24-2009, 18:41
Delfuego

Has there always been a "Legislation & Politics" thread???

Has there always been a "Legislation & Politics" thread???
Its awesome!!!
Can we get a "Religious Antagonism" thread please.

I am a no because I think young kids in groups are too dumb. A lone young adult may be intelligent, but kids in groups are totally idiotic.

I don't think it should be a federal case though. Maybe a school-by-school policy is better.
07-24-2009, 19:01
Rampart Runner

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

I am a no because I think young kids in groups are too dumb.

"Kids" are not licensed to carry firearms in any state in the union.
07-25-2009, 12:40
Delfuego

You guys latch on to the dumbest things. The point was that even intelligent young adults act like dumb "kids" when they are in groups. How hard is that to understand. But you guys are always right and I am always wrong. So just answer the fucking poll question and get on with your life. If you want to disagree with me then I am happy enough.

PS: Did nobody actually read where it said school-by-school policy?
07-25-2009, 13:28
Rampart Runner

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I am a no because I think young kids in groups are too dumb. A lone young adult may be intelligent, but kids in groups are totally idiotic.

Yeah!...like all those dumb kids in the military..oh wait.

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But you guys are always right and I am always wrong.

Well at least we agree on something. :D
07-26-2009, 13:59
Batteriesnare

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Originally Posted by BadShot

Change schools if it actually means anything to you

Fortunately, (or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it,) I only have one year of undergrad left. My degree program is not offered at any of the colleges or universities that do allow carry, and frankly, the program I'm in is one of the top five in the country. To go to a better school for my program, I would have to go to New York, LA, or Texas, and they do not allow CCW permits pretty much at all, save Texas. When I chose schools at the age of 18, I wasn't choosing based on whether I could carry a firearm, because at that time it wasn't even a possibility. I should not have to make a career choice based on CCW laws. If the state allows it, state run institutions should submit to it.
07-26-2009, 14:08
Batteriesnare

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

You guys latch on to the dumbest things. The point was that even intelligent young adults act like dumb "kids" when they are in groups. How hard is that to understand. But you guys are always right and I am always wrong. So just answer the fucking poll question and get on with your life. If you want to disagree with me then I am happy enough.

PS: Did nobody actually read where it said school-by-school policy?

Do I qualify as dumb?

I have a HS GPA of 3.4, my college GPA is over 3.5, I take the maximum credits allowed by my university, and have done so since beginning college. I will graduate in four years with a 120 credit hour degree, as well as a 35 credit hour minor. I have never had so much as a speeding ticket, no arrest record, no MIP,...but I did get a parking ticket once for "parking 7 feet into another space"....funny, my car's about 10 feet long, you figure out the math. I have been around guns since I was a child, have competed in shooting competitions and placed in the top three several times. I have passed several firearm training courses, hunter safety classes, NRA classes, and am a qualified NRA marksman. I do not just plink, but rather I train my shooting skills through run and guns, and other manners of putting my body under stress to hone my ability to make a shot that I hopefully will never have to take. Given this information, why should I not be allowed to protect myself and my fellow students should some jackass decide to cut loose for whatever reason, and try to take as many others with him as possible? I have leapt though/past all government requirements, and am willing to prove my above resume to the governing authority of my university, and I'd be willing to put money on the fact that I am a better marksman (especially under stress) than 90% of their police force.

Why no under any circumstance?
07-26-2009, 22:27
sniper7

If they are 21 and over, can get the license, then I see no reason as to why not.
the school doesn't need to know...they may be targeted not only by any person that comes in armed and ready to kill but by any anti-professors who would like to see them fail at life for their god given right to own a firearm and using it to defend themselves and others.

I see issues with students on campus having firearms but since they are over 21, pass all the background info, then I don't see enough cons against it to deny them their right to defend themselves.
07-26-2009, 22:36
Batteriesnare

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I see issues with students on campus having firearms but since they are over 21, pass all the background info, then I don't see enough cons against it to deny them their right to defend themselves.

I agree with this. While I do live off of campus property, I am close to the University. The funny part is that the University will allow you to have alcohol in your dorm or on campus as long as your are 21, and everyone else in the doom room is 21, heck they even serve it at football games (which is the only reason to go with the current team [ROFL1]) or at University sponsored activities. So if alcohol is okay, and all you have to do is flash a card saying you are 21, which you may or may not be, why not allow a card that represents deep background checks, expenses and firearm competency?
08-20-2009, 08:05
Eow

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Originally Posted by sniper7

If they are 21 and over, can get the license, then I see no reason as to why not.
the school doesn't need to know...they may be targeted not only by any person that comes in armed and ready to kill but by any anti-professors who would like to see them fail at life for their god given right to own a firearm and using it to defend themselves and others.

I see issues with students on campus having firearms but since they are over 21, pass all the background info, then I don't see enough cons against it to deny them their right to defend themselves.

I can't believe on this forum that this is even an issue (not directed at you sniper7, just beginning a general all-purpose rant). Our armed forces are filled with people under 21 (I think you can even get in at 17 with parental consent) who are given fully automatic M-16s to kill people with. Yet some would suggest that because they are young adults they shouldn't have the same rights as older adults? I still can't understand why an Iraq veteran can come back after having fought there and can't legally have a beer, because our nanny state says 'he is not old enough to handle it'.

The poll doesn't even list my answer: college students over 18 (as well as the rest of us) should be able to carry WITHOUT a permit. I agree with Vermont and Alaska who allow concealed carry without need for a government permit--I have never heard of problems in those states arising from that. The second amendment states that "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". How is a permit requirement not an infringement of that 2nd Amendment right? If you had to get a permit before you could write a controversial editorial exercising your 1st amendment right to free speech, would anyone find that acceptable?
08-20-2009, 08:43
MichiganMilitia

THANK YOU EOW!!!!!

What's the matter with you guys?!? The 2nd Amendment doesn't say "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless the government wants to."

Since when is there a difference between a 20 year old "adult" and a 21 year old "adult". When people turn 21 do they just magically "grow up overnight" and suddenly become responsible and mature enough to handle a handgun? AND if you do a $#!*load of paperwork, you can carry one UNDER your clothes! Does anyone here honestly think that requiring a permit would have prevented the Virginia Tech shooting? The only thing these laws do is victimize the honest people that need them the most. If somebody was carrying on campus and saw Cho walking around shooting people, do you think it would have gone on? Would so many people have died?

No number of gun laws is going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Handguns are illegal in Chicago... Do you think there is no handgun related crime in Chicago?
Nope, there's no handgun crime in Chicago. And Santa Clause is real.
08-20-2009, 23:10
theGinsue

Very good arguements gentlemen. I am in full agreement. Yes, allowing 18+, or even 21+ students to carry a firearm for self protection does possess some degree of risk. With that said, doesn't allowing a 16 year old to get a drivers license and operate a motor vehicle solo also possess a risk (in all honesty, the worst drivers I've seen the last few years have all been over 25)?

Life is risk. If we stop allowing people to do things, especially those things which are guaranteed Constitutional rights, simply on the basis of potential risks, we might as well just find a place to sit down and die right now.

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Originally Posted by MichiganMilitia

And Santa Clause is real.

Um, just what do you mean by that? Certainly you arent implying that jolly old Saint Nick is merely a fable; are you?
08-21-2009, 01:17
MichiganMilitia

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Originally Posted by theGinsue

Um, just what do you mean by that? Certainly you arent implying that jolly old Saint Nick is merely a fable; are you?

Well... In all my research, Santa Clause's existence is much more probable than Chicago being free of handgun crimes. And trust me, I've spent plenty of time in Chicago, but I've never seen St. Nick.
08-21-2009, 07:29
Eow

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Originally Posted by theGinsue

Life is risk. If we stop allowing people to do things, especially those things which are guaranteed Constitutional rights, simply on the basis of potential risks, we might as well just find a place to sit down and die right now.

Exactly. We are becoming a nanny state, where government has to tell everyone what they can and cannot do. We need the freedom to make mistakes and learn from them. We don't need government to be our surrogate parents.