Panhandling Ban Violates 1A in Denver

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...-court-victory

"DENVER - Denver Police Chief Robert White has instructed officers not to charge people for violating the city's panhandling ban after a federal district court judge ruled a similar ban in Grand Junction violated the First Amendment."

So I guess they are going to stop infringing on 2A to stay consistent right? Or does banning "Assault Rifles" and mags over 20 rounds not count?

With all the stoners that moved here, this is going to be nuts down there on that 16th street mall. Final nail in the coffin as the place has been going down the tubes for years anyway. Feel kinda sorry for the business owners down there but they are catering to it so screw em.

As long as people continue to give $, people will continue to panhandle. That is all.

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So I guess they are going to stop infringing on 2A to stay consistent right? Or does banning "Assault Rifles" and mags over 20 rounds not count?

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Didn't you hear, "shall not be infringed" is so very vague.

Curious as to the next President's plan for dealing with the federal laws that the pot shops are breaking around here. Kris Krispy Creame has already said he would enforce it but he doesn't have a chance at winning. Wonder where Carson/Fiorina/Trump stand on it.

I had a pan handler in the Littleton area hit me up for something when walking out of a liquor store. He was stumbling and mumbling so I don't know if he asked for money or one of the beers I had but I said no. At that point he decided to say "That's not cool, man. Not cool at all" and his demeanor changed. It was a slightly uneasy moment for me as you don't know how they'll react sometimes. I typically avoid panhandlers if at all possible.

There are so many panhandlers where I'm from that I've learned to give a stern "hell no"!!!

I'm going to start asking people for money when they approach me; especially the ones driving around in $40,000 trucks asking for gas money.

I used to throw change at them when I was younger, especially the ones that claimed to be a vet of some sort but that all changed in college. One time I was coming out of a nice restaurant on Pearl Street in Boulder. I did not particularly feel all that well and did not even touch my $12 burger that I ordered as the meal so I had it boxed up. Went outside and some hipster bumb asks for change and I told him I didn't have any but I could offer him this burger that was never touched. He threw it to the ground and said something about needing money, not food. To this day I still really want to kick that guy's ass but at the same time glad I can control myself in those situations.

I once gave an old lady 2 bucks to get something to eat to keep her sugar under control. I watched her walk across the street to the store and come out with a pack of smokes and throw the wrapper on the ground.

Now everyone gets a fierce "no," even the ones who I think might actually need it.

Today while eating lunch I sneezed and one girl made it a point to conspicuously tell me, "bless you." I bought her lunch on my way out. Screw pan handlers.

From this interview: "panhandling....... 90% goes to ciggeretts, alcohol or drugs"

http://radiocoloradocollege.org/2013...ndling-part-3/

My charity is either given to friends, or handled through organizations that I contribute to. I'm not going to encourage poor decision making with my hard earned money.

I've often wanted to just start yelling uncontrollably at a pan handler, just to see if they would get scared and go away.

Up here in Ft fun the panhandlers and homeless are getting out of hand there everywhere. When I tell most of them no they get all pissed off. Had one get in my 8year olds face and started yelling at the top of his lungs at him, if he would of grabbed my son I would of shot him. I dont go downtown any more to avoid them.

So THAT is why I don't go downtown Ft. Fun anymore.

Panhandling is free speech. OMG. The founders would laugh, then cry, then question why they risked what they did, so we could spit in their faces. I'm sorry, (not really) but if THAT is free speech, then me putting a 2x4 upside their head is free speech. I'm just making a statement, after all.

I don't care for panhandlers at all.

However, one time in San Antonio I was in a mall eating in the food court and a pregnant girl (had to be under 20) came up and asked if I was going to finish my lunch, said she was hungry. I said that I was but would be happy to buy her a meal. She started crying and we went to the pizza bar and she asked if it was OK to order two slices. I bought her a Coke too. She started crying again and sat down and just gobbled it up. She did not ask for money and when she finished she left, did not ask anyone else for anything. She did say thank you too.

I felt good at that moment.

Can't stand a panhandler.

I had a guy hit me up in the Springs. I asked if he was a vet. He said yes. I asked where he served, he said "Wiesbaden" I gave him $5

I don't give money to panhandlers, but in certain situations I look at it as "GTFO money."

Once I had to stop at a gas station in the middle of nowhere after sitting in traffic for hours. Some skeezy looking guy crossed the street from another gas station and started hollering in thick slang. I slowly realized he was talking to me, and wanted change for "gas money." My wife was very pregnant at the time, sitting in the passenger seat. Mr. Skeeze was approaching from her side of the car and kept looking in at her then back at me. I came around the car to the passenger side to head him off and started asking him about his car. He kept redirecting the conversation to money. I said I don't have any change and he said something like "oh, well that's too bad" but his body language signaled that he wasn't about to give up on us. Finally I looked in my wallet and said "Oh, I've got a 5, will that be enough?" He thanked me and started walking back across the street.

I got back in the car and my wife was all pissed that I gave him money, let alone $5. I told her $5 was a lot cheaper than getting into some sort of altercation with this guy.

6 in the a.m after working in the city. Stop for gas, guy wander close and starts asking me questions. Told him step back and walk away. he comes closer, i remove the gas nozzle from the chebby. Take lighter from pocket and hold it away from the nozzle, pointed towards him. For some reason he took off.
Usually they don't approach me.

^ Nice. Unfortunately I drive a diesel, so my set-people-on-fire options are more limited.

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^ Nice. Unfortunately I drive a diesel, so my set-people-on-fire options are more limited.

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They likely wouldn't know that... Slow burn.

Boulder is ground zero for beggars. They are even it the neighborhoods. They ask and get a "fawk off".

We get some in Ned. Even with the hippy/hipsters it doesn't play well. My response is "take it to Boulder".

I do not give beggars anything, ever.

Parasites

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Parasites

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That are allowed to exist.

I used to think I had a pretty good eye for need-vs-leech panhandlers. It's become so prevalent anymore, I have become an F-off type of guy.

I feel bad about turning away someone in need, but I no longer have the time or desire to deal with it.

My favorite: Do you have any spare change?
My response: No. I work for my money, and every penny is accounted for.
That usually results in a dumbfounded look, and I always assume they're trying to figure out the meaning of "work".

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^ Nice. Unfortunately I drive a diesel, so my set-people-on-fire options are more limited.

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it's all in technique- diesel will burn with a wick, so you have to soak him, then light him on fire. [Muaha]

What frustrates me the most is panhandlers that walk up down between cars at stop lights. Worse is when I get panhandled inside a business (restaurant or hotel most often).

Last time I got panhandled was in the Home Depot parking lot on Parker and Chambers. I was loading drywall into the back of my truck at night and a guy came up behind me and said he "needed money". Scared the hell out of me. Terrible lights in their lot also. Very dark. I told him to step back in a less than cordial voice. I complain to the manager of that store routinely but the parking lot is still very dark. Right across from a Walmart also.


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Panhandling is a huge problem down here. I always give them something for two reasons: one they actually need it and are using their last shred of dignity to ask, or it will encourage poor decisions and further hasten their path.

Also so there are a lot of "couples" panhandling down here. Sometimes the girl is really cute. I've always wondered how easy it would be to pick one up. "Hey, lose the zero and go with the mediocre yet secure paycheck guy." Plus the bonus of dating a homeless girl is you can drop her off anywhere.

Had one approach me in the parking lot of Arby's in GJ a couple weeks ago asking for money to get some food. I explained that if you dont have a job, you dont get Arby's, you get soup and bread. Might have been a little abrupt but it worked.

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I explained that if you dont have a job, you dont get Arby's, you get soup and bread.

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You gave wise advice.

There is this panhandler who is so horrible, he somehow takes money out of my pay every month. I'm pretty sure the cash gets flushed down the drain.

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There is this panhandler who is so horrible, he somehow takes money out of my pay every month. I'm pretty sure the cash gets flushed down the drain.

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Good one.

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Boulder is ground zero for beggars. They are even it the neighborhoods.

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Indeed, in CO, I suspect Boulder wins the prize for most beggars per intersection and like Pook says, they are even in some residential neighborhoods at 4-way stop signs now. They'll keep doing it as long as it continues to work.

I don't give to beggars. I found a guy with his hazards on half in the roadway last winter. Out of gas. He politely refused help until I pointed out he was in danger. Towed him to the nearest station and put $20 on the pump. He chased me down trying to get my info to pay me back. I told him give it to his church when he got ahead again.

I never give to beggars. Ever.
Until today. I stopped for gas on my way to work, and there was a guy standing under a tree near the gas pumps, (out of the way), playing a guitar and singing. He really had a beautiful voice, and was a skilled guitarist. He had a sign on his guitar case, saying he could use some $ for gas. He wasn't bugging anyone, and made my time at the pump more enjoyable. So I gave him a couple bucks in change. He gave a genuine "thank you", and kept singing. I'm good with it.

but professional bums, drunks, 16th Street gutter rats, etc, never get a thing from me. They already get plenty of the money I pay in taxes, and I'm not happy about it. I find that being mean and gruff (ok, just being myself) tends to shorten the amount of time I have to listen to them.

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I never give to beggars. Ever.
Until today. I stopped for gas on my way to work, and there was a guy standing under a tree near the gas pumps, (out of the way), playing a guitar and singing. He really had a beautiful voice, and was a skilled guitarist. He had a sign on his guitar case, saying he could use some $ for gas. He wasn't bugging anyone, and made my time at the pump more enjoyable. So I gave him a couple bucks in change. He gave a genuine "thank you", and kept singing. I'm good with it.

but professional bums, drunks, 16th Street gutter rats, etc, never get a thing from me. They already get plenty of the money I pay in taxes, and I'm not happy about it. I find that being mean and gruff (ok, just being myself) tends to shorten the amount of time I have to listen to them.

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Busking is not begging, IMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_performance

He provided a service and advertised that he would take compensation freely given. You provided compensation based on the value you set on the service performed. No different than contributing to any worthy cause you may find valuable to support.

Giving money to strangers without knowing where that money is going would be like donating to something invisible out of ignorance. If it is good to not feed the wildlife, than it is even more important not to pay people to play in traffic.

I should make a "Victim Of Obama" sign...

I get suckered by the beggars with dogs every single time.

I look at the individual and think: 'You look like you can work'

I look at the dog and think: 'You're relying on them to eat'?

And then I give a few bucks.

They're probably just using the dog as a fishing lure for a sap like me, but I can't help myself.

I should probably start rolling around with dog food in my car.

If you can't afford to feed yourself you can't afford a dog and all that goes with it. More bad decision making.

"Go with the mediocre", that's funny.

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Panhandling is a huge problem down here. I always give them something for two reasons: one they actually need it and are using their last shred of dignity to ask, or it will encourage poor decisions and further hasten their path.

Also so there are a lot of "couples" panhandling down here. Sometimes the girl is really cute. I've always wondered how easy it would be to pick one up. "Hey, lose the zero and go with the mediocre yet secure paycheck guy." Plus the bonus of dating a homeless girl is you can drop her off anywhere.

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