Watching the 1st round of debates, and good God the support for mass immigration is just sicking.
Graham really does need to drop out.
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Watching the 1st round of debates, and good God the support for mass immigration is just sicking.
Graham really does need to drop out.
So is it safe to assume Trump has this in the bag?
To avoid another needless thread... Is anyone watching the Vegas debates tonight?
I'm pretty sure everyone on the GOP JV team debate stage just advocated for "a backdoor" to listen to every cell phone in America. We are so doomed.
I'm so sick of the "What would you do as president to prevent ________ or fix ______?" questions. The answer to most of them should be "Well CNN idiot and ignorant audience, the president doesn't actually have the authority to do that, but what I would like to see congress do is __________."
What needs to be the focus of the GOP contenders is.................STOP THIS ATTACKING ANYONE ELSE IN THE PARTY.
Focus on and continually point out HRC's numerous B.S stands on ISIS, the Economy. Her relations with foreign powers while SOS.
DEMAND The media have her Define Exactly what she feels are the 1%, income wise. Fuck this petty shit and get on with it.
The GOP has almost snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They're real close. Trump or Carson will be going 3rd party by april, may the latest. If that.
4 more years of Democrats destroying what's left of the country will break what's left of the camels back. If not, one of their goat fukin Religion of Peace buddies who passed the no-fly list . YET still manages to pull off another HYBRID workplace Violence / TERRORIST attack [Mad]
Trump keeps saying Google should do something about allowing propaganda on the Internet. I think Google should agree and no longer allow ANY political ads anymore. Can you imagine a 2016 without political ads on YouTube? Makes me smile just thinking about it.
No more then i can Imagine a Valid U.S I.D to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Trump pledged again last night he would not run as a third party candidate. Carson said the same a few days ago. I know talk's cheap...but they did say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
I Never Had Sex with that WomanQuote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I am Not a Criminal
Wipe, like with a soft cloth ?
If You like Your Insurance. You Can Keep It.
I am beginning to think that the "infighting" is by design. Look at the viewership numbers! This last debate was the 3rd most watched national primary debate EVER (estimated at 21 million viewers). 2nd and 1st most watched were in August and September of this year with 25 and 24 million, respectively. That basically means that there have never been so many people interested in the Republican primary debates. Not even close! 4 years ago, the most watched GOP primary debate had less than 7 million viewers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
There is a fine line between damaging your own reputation/arguments and making it interesting/entertaining enough for sheep to watch.
Maybe I'm being naive and optimistic by thinking that this is intentional, but you cannot deny that it's working:
-Obama is more unpopular than ever (43% approval yesterday)
-Sanders is quickly deflating
-HRC is a traitor and should be in jail (any of us would be for doing HALF the things she's done...) and she won't stand up to real scrutiny
-Nobody even knows the names of any other Dem presidential candidates
-Dems latest debate had a very weak 8.5 Million viewers in comparison
-Every month sets a new record for gun sales (most notably, first time purchasers)
Dens don't have Trump to drive viewers.
So to those that are not, why are you not supporting Trump?
He will led to the retaking of the American West from the illegal hordes, which is only a good thing, seeing how if they are given papers they will vote solidly for the left.
No he won't. Just because he says stuff, doesn't mean he'll be able to accomplish any of those things. Take a look at Obama and trying to pass gun control measures. This last round of executive orders might as well have been written on a bar napkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SG1
I will support Trump if he ends up being the Republican nominee but solely because the Dems are so bad. There are much better candidates on the Republican side to root for. Trump has a history of supporting liberals and liberal causes and all his statements other than "I will build a wall and I'll make Mexico pay for it" are the epitome of vagueness.Quote:
Originally Posted by SG1
Cruz and Carson will at least try to rein in the growth of the government and its intrusion into our personal lives. Rubio has shown a greater command of foreign affairs and national security topics. Christie has at least shown an ability and willingness to fight Democrats, even if he's a New Jerseyite who'd be a Dem if he was in Wyoming or Montana.
Agreed, I will vote for Trump if he is the GOP nominee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Trump talks a good game, I am not sure if his talk will translate into the kind of action that I am looking for or if it will result in any action at all. One thing I can say, Trump is entertaining as hell.
As Aloha and Roberth said... I would support Trump if he was the Republican nominee. I despise Trump and you should too.
He is a crony capitalist by definition and really does nothing to restore individual liberty. I like the things he says about immigration and guns... but this is the same guy that supported both Clintons in their previous political endeavors and previously supported gun control at a national level. Apart from that, he's a rich celebrity who is running the election like a middle school class president contest, and that is reason enough to despise him. Guy was on Wrestenmania a few years ago. He's basically President Camacho from Idiocracy. I don't think he could get much done as president because he's so inflammatory. With that consideration, I also think that is a good thing because he has clearly abused the relationship between government and corporations in the past and I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that he would do anything to fix that, even if it WAS within the powers of the office of President of the United States. As an AD member of the military, I am terrified about his awful foreign policy pipe dreams.
My order of preference is:
1. Rand Paul
2. Ted Cruz
3. Gary Johnson/John McAffee?
3b. Ben Carson (although he has many areas that concern me as well... he is a very distant 3rd)
4. Donald Trump
Well most Americans support deportations/a fence while most Americans do not want gun control, apples to oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
With a real Conservative Congress behind him we can get stuff done.
The man bought who was for sale, and that was the Clintons.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Mcaffee is really running? I thought that was a joke.
Well he is done speaking on P.C which is a great thing. As for immigration, that alone will insure we secure our future as mass immigration (legal or otherwise) will create a one party state just as it did California, only on a nation scale.
You can not take people from peasant cultures, who values collectivism/statism and have no understand or value of Liberty, and who vote lockstep for the same crap they did back home, place them here and expect them to change, they will not change they will only reduce us to the same serfs they are.
Unrestricted Immigration=Restricted Liberty
Or
Restricted Immigration=Unrestricted Liberty
More and more we are picking Liberty over Immigration as we should have from the begin.
“maximum security at the borders and maximum liberty within the borders.”
Thank you HoneyBadger for your further explanation on Trump.
SG1 - I understand about Trump being opportunistic about the Klintons, doesn't have to mean that I accept it. This is a personal responsibility/personal conduct issue and Trump's conduct is lacking. He was already a billionaire, no reason to sully himself with the Klintons but he did.
I like this statement alot. We can apply it to Colorado, Colorado used to be a free state then CA and other leftist state people started moving here.Quote:
You can not take people from peasant cultures, who values collectivism/statism and have no understand or value of Liberty, and who vote lockstep for the same crap they did back home, place them here and expect them to change, they will not change they will only reduce us to the same serfs they are.
Did most of these immigrants adopt the freedoms CO presented 15 years ago? No! They changed CO into CA/NY.
SG1 - your concerns with immigration are, I think, completely valid. However, when Trump runs a national ad campaign running on the platform that we'll build a wall and somehow "make Mexico pay for it", I just laugh. In some ways, a wall would help the same way that a lock on your door keeps honest people honest, but the wall in many ways would be an ineffectual as many other laws (gun laws are perfect example). Unless you turn it into the DMZ, we will ALWAYS have people finding a way across, albeit in lower numbers. If terrorists really want to get into the US, there are about a dozen ways that are quicker and easier.
Just to invoke some actual facts on what I hope are just poorly worded anti-immigrant statements, immigrants from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia who actually seek citizenship through the normal naturalization process are some of the best citizens I know. They know exactly what they escaped from and the citizenship test they take ought to be required in US high schools. They know and understand not only our system of government as laid out by the Founding Fathers but also the heritage that led to the Constitution. Try to get a a credible explanation of what it means to be an American or what our actual rights under the Constitution are from your average Valley Girl or boy from Lon Gisland ...
Most vehement diatribe I ever heard against Obama came from a man who immigrated from Ghana and knew Obama from his college years. Not only did the man detest Obama and the air he breathes but he understood exactly what Constitutional principles Obama has violated consistently, how Obama has distorted and distended our system of government, etc.
Right now, my top 3 are Carson, Cruz, and Rubio (listed alphabetically, not by any order of preference). Paul and Trump are the bottom of my list for GOP nominees but I would support either one of them in a general election. I'd love to see the next AG to indict Hillary for purposefully violating national security (among her other crimes) but I'm not going to hold my breath. MoveOn.org will pout and cry, the Republicans will be cautioned to be satisfied with whatever wins they get in 2016, and the Clintons will escape well-deserved justice yet again.
Can you clarify if you're saying that the only acceptable immigrants are from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia, or those are the only area that you have personally known immigrants from?
[ROFL2] You forget the sarcasm smiley in that post??Quote:
Originally Posted by SG1
There is no or has been a Real Conservative Congress since who knows how long.
The people holding office are nothing but clowns honking horns falling over them self seeing who can get the most done, with the least amount of work.
This congress bent over , handing everything Obama wanted in the last package they signed off on.
Immigration, neither side wants to eliminate the illegals over running the border. The D's for voting power.The R's for cheap labor. At least the D's are open when it comes to illegals.
I'd wager ANYONE holding office would sign off on "tougher gun measures" IF it was politically positive for them .
It's past time for the country to put the title of President out to pasture. Make them a parade waving figurehead, nothing more.
WAY PAST TIME to put the power of the electorate BACK in to the hands of the People. Shitcan the lobbyist, shitcan the power brokers. Give the individual the power to bribe or intimidate the elected official , as it should be.
Last item. TWO YEAR TERM LIMIT.
The don't perform as promised, Out the door. Under their own power, or with help.
Just to clarify, I 100% support LEGAL immigration. This country was built into the world power that it is today by immigrants. I am 100% against illegal immigration and any effort to circumvent the system we have in place, especially any effort to loot the system and be a parasite for the tax dollars of the providers.
I do believe that the current system for legal immigration needs a significant overhaul.... It should not take 5+ years and thousands of dollars to become an American citizen. I have a close friend from Romania who is 6 years into the process and is hoping to finally get his citizenship sometime in 2017. The hoops that he has had to jump through are insane. He's been in the US for almost 10 years now... speaks perfect English... He even has a Pilot's license and IFR cert... But he wants to do it "the right way" (legally) so he is basically being penalized. People who can successfully legally immigrate to the US have already proven their dedication, hard work, and willingness to sacrifice - with NO expectation of handouts. It's no wonder they are usually quite successful.
Same here, LEGAL immigration is great. Illegal immigrants do not belong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Agree that LEGAL immigration in the traditional context is great, but the flood of temp workers such (H1B, etc), which is also legal, is absolutely against our best interests and is wreaking havoc on a broad scale with regard to employment and compensation for actual Americans (by either birth or naturalization).
I have observed at first-hand this cancer (figurative, but many parralells exist in both presentation and likely eventual outcome) over recent years and across many industries/organizations/geographies....
The impact of this malicious growth (still legal - and encouraged by our overlords) is huge for both wages and career growth. For reasons I choose not to elaborate on right now, it also makes it ever harder for new job-seekers to fill positions instead of using guest workers. The argument that skilled workers dont exist is total bullshit, because people already exist to fill many of these roles but are not selected over their "imported" (temporary) counterparts, and many currently un/under-enployed people can be retrained to do many of the types of jobs which need to be filled - this would be huge for us and just requires funding retraining initiatives (would be a good use of taxpayer money and provide some direct return), and fully disincentivising large-scale use of workers specifically imported for that purpose - any economic need which is truly that dire can be used as an opportunity to provide vocational training and job fast-tracking - I have no doubt that if the opportunities are there amd compensation is fair, you'll have people lining up to learn and work....
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I have also known immigrants from Western Europe and South America but the Western European immigrants seem less appreciative of American traditions and heritage. I suspect that's a combination of the socialist bias endemic in so many of the Western European countries and the fact that very few of them have had to endure totalitarian regimes. My experience with immigrants from Micronesia has been ... less than positive in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I think any immigrant that follows established procedures, appreciates American traditions and history, is willing to work to get ahead rather than be a tapeworm on society, and doesn't pose a threat to society for health/safety/criminal reasons is generally acceptable. Anyone who doesn't fit that description is unacceptable. That includes people demanding Sharia law in the US, criminals, people with dangerous communicable diseases, and people who want to turn the US into Europe or Mexico or a Socialist Workers Paradise.
My point was simply that there were some pretty broad statements about immigrants here. I want more Bruce Lees, Andrew Carnegies, Maria Conchita Alonsos, Mel Gibsons, and Andrew Groves and fewer Teresa Heinz Kerrys, George Soros, Jim Carreys, and Emily Blunts. Hell, I'd like fewer Sean Penns, Michael Moores, and Quentin Tarantinos as well but they were unfortunately born here.
Thank you Aloha_Shooter for your insight.
Maria Conchita Alonsos, [Score][Score]
The RINOSs are being removed and the Establishment is done for, for 50 years they have lost, and even when they have won and had power, they did nothing, their are either fools or controlled opposition. As for term limits, totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Its most of them, which is why we need to reduce immigration as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
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Originally Posted by DireWolf
Their is always a shortage of "cheap" labor.
You are more then welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
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Stop Califroinication
[QUOTE=Aloha_Shooter;1947233]Just to invoke some actual facts on what I hope are just poorly worded anti-immigrant statements, immigrants from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia who actually seek citizenship through the normal naturalization process are some of the best citizens I know.
Their voting habits prove other wise as a majority, sure SOME are good, but most just repeat the same failed political/cultural views. Also we are pro American, not "anti immigrant".
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They know exactly what they escaped from and the citizenship test they take ought to be required in US high schools.
Yes and some people just do not learn...
And It should be, also make it harder to vote.
We have more then enough clueless, useful idiots and low/no info voters why import more?Quote:
They know and understand not only our system of government as laid out by the Founding Fathers but also the heritage that led to the Constitution.Try to get a a credible explanation of what it means to be an American or what our actual rights under the Constitution are from your average Valley Girl or boy from Lon Gisland ...
And how many from his nation voted FOR him?Quote:
Most vehement diatribe I ever heard against Obama came from a man who immigrated from Ghana and knew Obama from his college years. Not only did the man detest Obama and the air he breathes but he understood exactly what Constitutional principles Obama has violated consistently, how Obama has distorted and distended our system of government, etc.
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Right now, my top 3 are Carson, Cruz, and Rubio (listed alphabetically, not by any order of preference). Paul and Trump are the bottom of my list for GOP nominees but I would support either one of them in a general election. I'd love to see the next AG to indict Hillary for purposefully violating national security (among her other crimes) but I'm not going to hold my breath. MoveOn.org will pout and cry, the Republicans will be cautioned to be satisfied with whatever wins they get in 2016, and the Clintons will escape well-deserved justice yet again.
Well if you want such things to stay possible and happen, stop importing people who vote for the dems 8-2.
To be honest, the only areas are Western Europe and some areas of North Eastern Asia and even then we need to screen the loving Hell out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
The idea the 3rd world has anything to offer other then leftist voters is a lie, time to reduce immigration and stop the replacement of the American nation, culture, and people.
You are beyond misguided. Thanks for clarifying.
I think that for the most part we have an entirely different version of immigrant now than we did 100 years ago. Of course there are many who want to embrace America, but many more want to bring their 3rd world shithole here and laugh while our taxes pay for it.
SG1, you need to reread what I wrote. Where are you getting your data on voting habits from? The immigrants I'm talking about (who have taken the time and trouble to follow the legitimate process for naturalization, who have escaped from totalitarian regimes, etc.) tend NOT to vote for Democrats who want to institute that kind of garbage. In fact, the vast majority of clueless idiots voting for Dems tend to be either domestically-bred morons or Western Europeans who want our more vibrant economy but the same kind of horseshit they left.
Our problems today stem from people trying to circumvent the legal immigration process, people who want the safety blanket garbage prevalent in Western Europe, or "natural born" citizens who have no concept of the value of their citizenship. I've seen far more people who understand the value of hard work and a true capitalist system in the Third World than in the First World -- but thanks for your rousing rendition of "Murica!"
Aloha - I want to meet the kind of immigrants you know. My entire experience with immigrants are the illegal alien or H1B.
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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
How is not wanting to be replaced/outvoted in my nation and having my rights voted away from me "misguided"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
You are living in a state that living proof that immigration=political changes, namely not for the better.
We have proof that mass immigration leads to more and more leftism, which means among many things means more and more infringements on our rights, namely our right to keep and bare arms and yet you do not want to prevent the oh so preventable permanent victory of the left, who will win by stacking the deck with welfare/victim voters?
I have to ask, why?
Do you value your freedoms, rights, and future more the opinions of people who will vote them away out of malice/ignorance?
Thank you! people tend to forget we did not have welfare, nor multiculturalism then.We also had the Freedom of Association so if you did not want to sell, rent, or be around some groups you did not have to be, they stayed to themselves and we stayed to ourselves and tensions were lower because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
Their is no reason to import large numbers of people that are (if not stopped) will replace you.
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Originally Posted by roberth
Yes, the ones we let in to take the jobs "Americans wont do" or people are "too cheap to automate" and people doing the jobs "Americans are too dumb to do"...
Well their time in the sun is over, Bend over, Trump and Nationalism is here at last.