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Watching the crawl on the bottom of the TV it seemed that way.
No, there's one, the college scholarship tax didn't pass.
The sheeple have spoken, the government makes better use of their money than they can.
-every tax measure in Boulder passed this time. And last time. And next time.
The only one I had any input on (Douglas county) was the pot sales tax surplus. I said give it back but was outvoted.
At first I thought maybe people were being dense. But then I wondered if voters hate the pot people so much they'd rather let the state spend it than give it back.
Liberals won big last night. Douglas and JeffCo school boards are going back to Dem/teacher's union control. In Douglas we had about 25% turn out county-wide. I'm not sure if Conservatives didn't want to pay the stamp to vote or what. Libs sure got out the vote.
Douglas really surprises me... The same group that got our voucher program taken away was just rewarded. I know a few non-political types who were really upset about losing vouchers.
I voted opposite of you on this one. The few bucks back wasn't worth it in my mind and I just don't care if the potheads get some money back or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
locally the teachers really pushed 3c and I ended up voting for it due to the fact I know Brighton high school is terribly overcrowded, and mostly for selfish reasons because when we move I want my kids at a nice new elementary with good kids, not where they would have to go right now where they probably be in the minority of kids who don't speak Spanish.
Many of those who vote for raising taxes, or letting the govt keep taxes, don't pay any taxes. So, what do they care?
It's been over for some time now.
It's not about the paltry -$8 per person refund. It's not about the pot people. It's about not giving the already fiscally inefficient .gov an additional $66 million to waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
A yes vote on BB is essentially a yes vote on more, bigger .gov.
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What do you care if a fiscally inefficient .gov wastes a bunch of money collected directly from the "pot people"? If you don't buy pot that isn't any of your money in the 1st place, so who cares if they put a solid gold bathroom in Hick's office with that money? The chances of them wasting all of that money is slim to none, so at least some of that money will go to something useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by crays
I didn't care about how much money I got back or how much it cost to send my money back to me. I cared about the principle, the principle being that money belongs to the citizens and voting yes on BB affirms the govenment's idea that all money belongs to the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by crays
My understanding is that Douglas county had some major political problems with the school board.. and some legitimately bad people causing problems for real educators. It seemed to me like the DougCo school board going back to the left was inevitable because of how badly the last one messed it up. This understanding comes from my in-laws who live in Parker and are right of center on most things, but admittedly, my single source of news is a single point of failure.
So you're okay with empowering bigger govt?Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
You're okay with govt wasting money?
When the "extra" revenue dries up, where do you suppose the funding will come from for the "something useful" it created?
And it will essentially dry up, because now it is no longer "extra revenue", and it won't be long before they will be asking for more/new tax increases to sustain all the new programs.
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Thank you roberth. Your statement is exactly in line with my point, but more succinct.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
I was really surprised that the DC board vote went that way. But the whole state is moving left . . . and DC isn't as conservative as it used to be. But sounds like the "get out the vote" effort for progressives down here was a lot more intense than the conservative side. The one thing I wasn't sure about is whether there is still a conservative majority on the DC board? It was only 3 seats that went left last night.
On the pot vote . . . my wife and I voted to give it back on principle. I think a lot of people probably just went with the "what do I care--it's pot tax money?" position and voted to let the schools (largely) have it. Part of me agrees with that and doesn't much care if the potheads fund the schools a bit more. But with the waste in govt it just rewards them to keep flushing cash down the crapper.
Or maybe the:Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
-gun people
-farm people
-oil people
-retired people
-golf people
-restaurant people
-micro brewery people
-etc
Some people like increasing the size of government and increasing taxation at every opportunity.
Some of us don't.
The money will go to the schools but it won't be applied to the students, the money will be applied to growing the administration and the next round of promoting increased taxes "for schools".
Just another reason to get that money back in the hands of the citizenry.
We had some propaganda problems for sure. The media put a microscope over DougCo schools making everything a scandal. Some teachers left because they didn't like the performance standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
The Dems/union had been trying to wrestle control back for the last two elections. That's what it comes down to and nothing more.
Now that they control the board, they control education, which is very important to advance the Liberal cause/values.
It's the drug of choice for big gov. Once they start, they can't stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
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I'll refrain from typing my own responses in order to keep my blood pressure in check.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsker
I care since the .gov deserves NO EXTRA MONIES for anything other than the people it belongs to. IF you truly believe so at least some of that money will go to something useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
You're part of the PROBLEM.
Has anyone seen improvements on our roadways since that FEE was tacked on to vehicle registration?? Cleaner air / skies, since Emissions were forced on us??
If you aren't buying pot, it's not your money that is sitting in that $66 million. If you are buying pot then I understand caring about how that money is spent, because it's your money. If it's not your money, then what do you care how it's spent? Not your money, not your business.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
I'm not going to assume how you voted on the recreational bill that passed, however I can say if you voted against it, I understand your position. I think you are mistaken, but I get where you are coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
At first they came for the pot heads and I did nothing since I am not a pot head.....
Yeah, I hate that CO is turning into CA.
I think we all should be concerned about how ALL tax money is being spent, not just what part is "yours". As if you can even tell which dollar is yours once it goes into the ever-growing pot (no pun intended).
It's not POT MONEY, it's TAX REVENUE. Therefore, it is, in essence, every TAXPAYER's money. You should, indeed, be concerned about where this money goes, as it IS your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
All of the money in the good ol' USA is the property of the citizens and others. The government does not create money, all the money that the government has was taken from people who worked for that money.
This also includes monies created by the Federal Reserve and loaned to the government. The Fed is nominally a private organization so that money isn't created by the Federal Government either. We could argue that the Treasury Notes which FedGov creates are money but they aren't because the gains from printing Treasuries aren't realized until the Treasury Note is exchanged for dollars with the FedRes. It is a fine line but a line nonetheless. A Treasury Note held by the government is no more than shit paper, it gains value when the FedRes affirms that it has value by exchanging that shit paper for dollars.
I work for corporate America, when i receive my check the first thing i notice is that the government confiscated its share before I saw one red cent. That is all you need to know about how the government views you and your labor.
The way I understood it was that it is pot tax that was over taxed, so that money should have all went back to the tax shops and pot purchasers. I don't buy the stuff, so none of it was my tax money in the first place. Why should I get any money back from something I never put money into...seems kinda like welfare BS to me. Granted the amount was very small, and had it been much larger I would have been greedy and voted to take a check, which would have been like the welfare mongers do daily, but I would have justified it in my mind that it was due to me for all the other wrongs and stealing the government has done to me by taking my money and giving it to worthless folks.
but because the amount was so small, and I had a small hope the money might actually go to do some good, and I wanted to get back at the potheads for pissing on my gun rights costing me more money for transfers and BS laws, it was a childish move but one I am comfortable with. In the end I won't miss the small amount of money, the potheads will or have forgot about it, the pot businesses got hosed a bit, but hopefully that money will help actually do good preventing drug abuse and schools. I doubt it, but we will see.
I understand what you're saying, however it's tax revenue from the sale of one item specifically allocated. That's the difference from income/sales/property taxes. The first $40 million of tax revenue goes to a public school construction fund and then the remaining money was to be decided on with the ballot issue. If the money went into the pool of all other taxes then yes I would agree with you, but since this is completely separate then it's a different issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by crays
That money belonged to the potheads and it should have been returned to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
When your business is overtaxed will you vote to let the government keep it or will you want it back?
You can't make the argument of "it's not your money, so you shouldn't care," when the money is being turned over to the state, which is in the same position of "it's not your money." What claim dies the state have for that tax revenue? None.
Wasn't 25M of that money to be returned to all taxpayers who file 2015 taxes? I know they kept referring to it as the marijuana tax, but was that just a clever way to sell it.
How can you say that the tax solely belongs to the pot crowd ...............all other taxes taken are largely spent on and refunded to those who pay little to none into the cash pot but that's ok right? It is tax money, generated by commercial actions within the state - actions that whether you like it or not affect every single person living in this state. So it should have been refunded to all, and if little big brother wants to spend it on pet projects they need to put said projects on the table for approval by the populace and plan it in for next year, not just say trust us and give us their word that it will be used for something good while greedily eyeing that stack of cash that's probably already spent. They talk about schools, yet they underpay teachers and churn out ignorant criminals and wards of the state.........roads and infrastructure look like they are failing to me ..........seems like real law and safety issues are being cut back while propaganda and new agendas are forced forward......I have to wonder where this short bus is heading.
First $40m - schools constructionQuote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
next $12m - youth and treatment programs
final $14.1m - SURPRISE!! discretionary fund controlled by lawmakers. Look around and see if you can find my shocked face.
I agree, but instead the ballot wanted to completely spread the wealth to every person. Instead it should have went to the people who bought the pot, which I'm guessing also included several out of state people, which would be near impossible to find out who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
and of course not, I would want it back, and I'm sure the pot businesses wanted it. but the way it was written is why I voted the way I did.
I understand and thanks for being patient with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
I look at it as a direct correlation from where that $1 was spent. For example:Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
pot out head spends $100 at pot shop. $10% of that is sales tax. $10 goes to gov. Pot shop pays another 20% in income tax. Their money which goes to profit, employees, overhead etc. is 70% of total cost. They get $70.
In reality, they were overtaxed, so the person spending the money, the pot head, should have spent $90 for that same pot. 3% was overcharged as sales tax, 7% was overcharged to the pot shop as income tax. That same portion should be returned to the pothead/pot shop. In reality, the pot shop might have charged the same price and pocked the extra profit, or they might have charged less allowing the pothead to either save $$ or buy more.
in the end, not $1 of that money came from me directly, so why should I get any of it back in the form of a refund or tax break? The question was would I rather get $$ that wasn't mine, or give a large portion of it to build schools, have drug programs (needed thanks to the added availability of drugs) and another smaller portion pissed away by the .gov.
i agree the state didn't have a claim for that tax revenue, and it should have been given back to the pot businesses and potheads, but that wasn't the way the bill was written.
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Originally Posted by roberth
As are we all...........what is the acceptable tax range then?Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
I watched a Crack head steal my neighbor's bike but I didn't say anything because I hoped a small portion of that stolen bike money would go toward rehab. That's what happened in this state yesterday.
Do you want a merit badge or something for your good deed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving