Red neck engineering ice traction idea.

So I was thinking about ice driving again.

Chains was pointed out to me limit speed, so not good except in an all out blizzard. otherwise when everyone's doing 60 im going to end up blocking the frontage road doing 25. And probably not fun to freeze putting them on at 4am if it snowed before work.

But I was thinking like people took skate tape to use for fun grips. What if I could find a paint or spray on compound that ends up in that gritty high traction material. Would hope that it would have some affect on ice stopping even if not a lot. Then I'd imagine it would naturally wear off the tire. Ideally not super quick so you put on a coat a few times a winter then wear off for spring.

I'm like 90 sure this isn't disable or with at all, but then again maybe it's actually a novel idea no one's tried.

Holy spellcheck/autocorrect/syntax, Batman.

Lol.

I say if you need grippier tires that bad just stud them.

No, trying to do this one handed by phone at work. And for whatever reason phone has developed like delayed altering of words so I miss them.

Should be mostly fixed now. That was especially bad wow. Want a physical keyboard phone bad.

Idea would be also cost savings, as if I got winters is want their own set of wheels. That and kinda was reading they help starting but in an actual slide the studs is actually less traction.

Maybe you need to tell all the guys who race on the ice how bad the studs are for traction.

Auto socks.
https://youtu.be/WtBzXVbE3Rc

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Originally Posted by fitz19d

No, trying to do this one handed by phone at work. And for whatever reason phone has developed like delayed altering of words so I miss them.

Should be mostly fixed now. That was especially bad wow. Want a physical keyboard phone bad.

Idea would be also cost savings, as if I got winters is want their own set of wheels. That and kinda was reading they help starting but in an actual slide the studs is actually less traction.

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You start working at an adult book store ?

I just saw a video of being stuck in snow/mud and the guy just strapped a 2x4 to his tire and secured it to the rim with rope and it gave him plenty of traction. The wood would wear out eventually as well!

Back when my dad was a kid, they used to put crushed walnut shells in the tread compound of winter tires. It was a good, cheap, environmentally friendly, road friendly solution that worked well. So, naturally, they stopped doing it.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

Back when my dad was a kid, they used to put crushed walnut shells in the tread compound of winter tires. It was a good, cheap, environmentally friendly, road friendly solution that worked well. So, naturally, they stopped doing it.

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Still used. http://www.toyotires.ca/technology/microbit-technology and http://www.nittotire.com/passenger-t...s-winter-tire/ I have studded tires. They give up a little in the wet/dry but then the advantage in the ice is worth it.

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Originally Posted by fitz19d

That and kinda was reading they help starting but in an actual slide the studs is actually less traction.

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This is partially true.. as someone who learned to drive in Alaska and have been using studded tires off and on for almost 30 years, I can say they help, but you have to keep them from spinning/locking up... drive correctly and they help a lot.

There was a PSA/commercial the Alaska State Troopers ran back in the 80's that had a little old lady shaking her finger at you saying "Feather your brakes, sonny!"
Of course this was before anti-lock brakes were so prevalent.

Studs don't help in deep snow, and they don't help if you spin the tires or lock up wheels... but if you drive properly they will get you across glare/black ice without starting to slide.

Oh, and true rednecks drive on bald tires, or monster truck tires if they have a job.

Treadwright has it.

https://www.treadwright.com/kedge-grip

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Originally Posted by ray1970

Maybe you need to tell all the guys who race on the ice how bad the studs are for traction.

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Hey, I'm just relaying what I had read and stated as such. That is great all around but maybe doesn't help as much on a sliding stop, which is what I worry more than just getting going at a light or in a drift. Regardless of the truth of it, main point was just a silly idea when you can't or want to avoid 800 something on a new set.

Though to get more into it, still have concern with studs for this state where you only have a few day stretches of ice scattered in the season so you end up wearing them out faster driving them on our dry winter roads.

If one was to pay more attention to how they drive and less on what "Might" work the best. One would have less issues when it happens. Once you're on ice unless you have 3/4 - 1" ice racing studs you're not stopping real fast, if at all.
The spouse drove a 2WD pick em up for 12 yrs. Not once did she ever have an issue on snow or icy roads, running Firestone destination AT's . Slow off the line, reasonable speeds underway, slowing down by using the GEAR SELECTOR then brakes.

Chains are only for situations where you wouldn't be traveling faster than 25ish mph anyway. If you want something for being able to travel at normal speeds for most of your trip, you're just looking at getting good tires. If people are traveling 60 mph, you don't even need 4wd at that point.

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

Treadwright has it.

https://www.treadwright.com/kedge-grip

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Guess that fits my idea except it's more built into tire. Like I said don't an easy application probably wouldn't hold up or function well. Would be tgtbt if I could just get a can of deck step friction step stuff and gain 15% ice performance

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Originally Posted by fitz19d

Guess that fits my idea except it's more built into tire. Like I said don't an easy application probably wouldn't hold up or function well. Would be tgtbt if I could just get a can of deck step friction step stuff and gain 15% ice performance

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For 5 minutes (then it will wear or peel off)

I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually used 4WD in the last 15 years. And one of two of those times were for slick, muddy roads out east and one of those times was coming down some trails coming down off the flat tops after a hunting trip. I have a brother in law who recently turned 50. Born and raised here. I think he just got his first 4WD truck a few years ago. He drove a 2WD Ford Ranger for a long time and always seemed to make it in to work just fine and never missed any family get togethers for the holidays no matter what the weather was like.

Driving in snow and ice is more about driver skill and predicting your stops and turns more than it is about the vehicle or the tires.

My first vehicle was a like 91 s10 with the biggest of 2 6cylinders. That was before I knew about adding weight. Was not terribly fun but I did fine. Then one winter I got love tapped from a yellow Subaru from behind at about 50mph. Went back and forth twice before ending up nose first into the i25 median barrier. Got it slowed down to where no air bags but never happy abouy not being able to save it.

Since that, winter ice has just always been a concern even though 5 years in my r32 never had any kind of problem. That car was very capable but yes I knew how to be easy and leave plenty of room esp at higher speeds etc. But because of what happened and now being in a very different vehicle I'll gladly take any advantage i can have.

Ps, of course the banana-ru drive off.

Bag banana-ru, huh. I hate when that happens.

Lol.

This always worked for me:

http://i.imgur.com/XLuKpFT.jpg

What in the actual fucking fuck. Damn moto g since update been stupid. Idid mean banana as it was a yellow suby. But the words before that, I watch it swipe, spells the right word. I move on and bingo breaks everything. Like I get "the" got turned into something else but then there's an entirely new word entered in where I want trying to put another.

I wonder if it is in drunk mode?

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Originally Posted by fitz19d

What in the actual fucking fuck. Damn moto g since update been stupid. Idid mean banana as it was a yellow suby. But the words before that, I watch it swipe, spells the right word. I move on and bingo breaks everything. Like I get "the" got turned into something else but then there's an entirely new word entered in where I want trying to put another.

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The swipe on my phone has been terrible lately as well.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the colder temperatures? Fingertip coldness is detrimental to a good text/swipe.

I am glad to see it didn't hinder the use of profanity. My first iPhone took a little while to realize I curse like a sailor when I text certain people.

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Originally Posted by ray1970

I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually used 4WD in the last 15 years. And one of two of those times were for slick, muddy roads out east and one of those times was coming down some trails coming down off the flat tops after a hunting trip. I have a brother in law who recently turned 50. Born and raised here. I think he just got his first 4WD truck a few years ago. He drove a 2WD Ford Ranger for a long time and always seemed to make it in to work just fine and never missed any family get togethers for the holidays no matter what the weather was like.

Driving in snow and ice is more about driver skill and predicting your stops and turns more than it is about the vehicle or the tires.

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This^^^ I was a delivery driver in Anchorage with a 2wd mini-truck

But where I live now, you'll be walking a bit too get to my house without 4wd at times... There are times I can't make it in 2wd... But there are many more times when my wife or daughter say they can't- only to have me walk down and drive their vehicle up.

This is interesting for some reason.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Example 2: Nissan Frontier pickup truck (2x4). Hell, if it snows 1/2 an inch you can plan on sliding out leaving the damn garage, much less driving around town. Even with some weight in the back and decent tires, it sucks royal balls. I think a 4x4 Nissan Frontier would be lucky to do as well as a 2x4 460.

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My Frontier does pretty well in 2 wheel drive. A lot depends on the tires. I'm also used to driving a 2 wheel drive 71 Chevy pickup in the snow as well as Camaros. The Frontier is piece of cake compared to those two.

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Oh hell, forgot about example 3.

Example 3: KLR-650 (1x2). Great in powdered, fresh snow, fully confident. Even if it's pretty deep. But, pretty flipping terrifying after cars have packed the snow down [facepalm], unless you use custom made VBAR chains, then you can go through anything until it's deep enough that you high center the skid plate.

(yes, seriously)

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Add cold-cutters. [Flower] I believe tires make or break snow. I can drive both FWD/RWD/4WD and back in the day we had two storms in 96/97 in April. first one driving the 70 Grand Prix I made it 1/2 block from the house. Next year driving the Sunbird I made it to the same spot. Both storms were almost identical.

For many years I drove my dodge 3/4t with a LS out back and air locker up front. The only time I ever used the front end was winter in the mountains like going to Buffalo Creek gun club in the winter. Later driving the 06 Grand Prix with snow tires I preferred it to the truck unless the car turned into a snow plow and that was only once. The car is downright boring these days in the snow and ice.

Not to start a this tire vs. that tire argument, but this is why I've used duratracs on several vehicles. I rarely put my Tacoma in 4wd (mainly off highway in deep snow) and never put weight in the back. I suspect the Xterra with duratracs and F/R limited slip will do even better.


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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Oh hell, forgot about example 3.

Example 3: KLR-650 (1x2). Great in powdered, fresh snow, fully confident. Even if it's pretty deep. But, pretty flipping terrifying after cars have packed the snow down [facepalm], unless you use custom made VBAR chains, then you can go through anything until it's deep enough that you high center the skid plate.

(yes, seriously)

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I've studded quite a few sets of knobby dual sport tires for guys over the years. Amazing the difference they make on snowpack and ice, without completely fucking up the bare pavement performance like ice screws do. Ice screws on bare pavement are downright scary.

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Not to start a this tire vs. that tire argument, but this is why I've used duratracs on several vehicles. I rarely put my Tacoma in 4wd (mainly off highway in deep snow) and never put weight in the back. I suspect the Xterra with duratracs and F/R limited slip will do even better.


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And the duratracs are just an AT not dedicated winter. Though I think they were the one of 3 that actually had a snow or ice rating? When I do get the expensive set of tires, still been torn on Duratrac vs KO2 vs I forget but I thinker it was one of the Coopers. Forget why I wasn't big on Tera Grapplers that are also popular.

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And the duratracs are just an AT not dedicated winter. Though I think they were the one of 3 that actually had a snow or ice rating? When I do get the expensive set of tires, still been torn on Duratrac vs KO2 vs I forget but I thinker it was one of the Coopers. Forget why I wasn't big on Tera Grapplers that are also popular.

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Yeah they have the snowflake rating. I can't afford to have a dedicated winter set, so I have to find the best performing AT I can, and so far it's been the duratrac. I was really tempted to try out the new KO2, as they are one of the better looking tires I've seen in awhile, but since I don't tend to buy tires solely based on looks, I had to pass. Once the KO2's have been out for awhile, and can be proven, I may consider them, but from my experience the old KO's don't hold a candle to the duratrac in snow performance.


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I put a set of the Duratrac's on wife's truck (2007 Mega Cab Cummins), and so far they've done great, but haven't had snow or ice here yet.

The tread on them is like a hybrid AT/MT... very aggressive for an AT, but not as obnoxious as an MT (which usually aren't as good on ice)