Well things went to hell at the Motorcycle Expo today. Suposedly two rival "groups" got in to it, shots fired, knives pulled, 1 dead, 7 injured and transported. No suspects identified or in custody.
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Well things went to hell at the Motorcycle Expo today. Suposedly two rival "groups" got in to it, shots fired, knives pulled, 1 dead, 7 injured and transported. No suspects identified or in custody.
Shocker
Yup, I'm not in the know about biker gangs, would be good to know what set things off.
Mongols and the Hells Angels. They've been rivals for a long time.
Bunch of wannabe tough guys showing how "tough" they are.
Are you sure? I thought it was Mongols and Iron Order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squeeze
#BikerLivesMatter
Those loud pipes failed to save any lives today...
http://heavy.com/news/2016/01/denver...stern-complex/
NBC reportedthat the altercation may have been caused by a fight between The Mongols and the Iron Order biker gangs, with two people from each gang being in grave condition.
Not to be crass but I really hope the dead/wounded were parties to the fight and not just swap meet attendees. The other clubs that were there tore down their displays and boogied.
I wanted to see the wet tshirt contest... Good thing I didn't go.
I wish they'd stick to knives and fists and leave guns out of it.
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Originally Posted by alan0269
IO have the same color scheme as the mongels. ALLEGEDLY Team A takes offense, Team B says fuck you , want them try taking them off our backs. The rest is news . Or so goes the scuttle butt of various people around the floor. As you can see same color scheme. SO.................. picture a cat fight at some fashion show, only between "men" armed with more than fake nails and silicone
https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.Mc0...=0&w=300&h=300 https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.Mf0...=0&w=300&h=300
Gather it took place on the main level and lower one.
There's always a beef when costumes are worn. Someone's buthurt, someones fucking the other ones tittie dance GF. Who knows who cares. Hypothetically gang rivalry at one time took place with out civilians around. ESPECIALLY in todays age of cell phone cameras / video. Probably more than 1 or 2 people recorded the altercation without even realizing what was going down.
I can tell you the Angels had nothing to do with it, I believe the Bandidos were involved with another club, I guess those two clubs tore down their stuff and split right after. Now they've cancelled tomorrow and I was going to look for parts! Maybe they'll put up a "no colors" policy and it can finally go back to being about motorcycles and parts again.
**Someone had it right, it was the Iron Order and Monguls**
Iron Order MC, one of the clubs involved in this, is known to have many former and current Law Enforcement and military--that being said the Iron Order are still known to get into brawls and be violent just like any other club. Here's a report from the Military Times article:
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Another club dubbed the Iron Order, composed largely of current and former military and — perhaps ironically — law enforcement officers, also is on ATF's radar.
"The Iron Order is one of the fastest growing motorcycle clubs in the United States. Members wear a traditional three-piece patch with a State bottom rocker," reads the report, a copy of which was obtained by Military Times. In biker culture, use of a bottom rocker naming a place, such as a state, on club "colors" usually indicates a claim to territory.
"The fact that they wear the State bottom rocker has infuriated the [Hells Angels], Outlaws, Iron Horsemen, Pagans and Bandidos. More importantly, many of their members are police and corrections officers, active-duty military and/or government employees and contractors. Over the past 4 years, the Iron Order has had several violent confrontations with each of the aforementioned OMGs."
That has led some local commanders to bar troops from involvement in the Iron Order, among others, citing Defense Department regulations prohibiting participation in any "criminal gang or organization" that advocates the use of force or violence.
Neither the angels or bandits had a hand in this. If anything , it's another power play by the mongrels. Knowing they would be seriously hurt , sooner or later. If they tried muscling either club. So they try punking some low level club. Typical.Quote:
Originally Posted by smchop
The real question is... who is on the hook for reimbursing the vendors? Look to see a possible law suite. The show folks going after the city & county of Denver.
Then the city will use ready for this..........Terrorism .Under the guise of state security, they were preventing a potential blood bath. Keeping innocent people from being killed or seriously injured, avoiding, in their words. A mass shooting .
No one squeaks, why would they? It's only some lowlife bikers.......
Remember how gun owners, ESPECIALLY returning veteran's were (mentioned in passing) potential domestic terrorist. That sound? It's the sound of liberty being put out.
Chief White was trying to distance the police from this:" White was asked whether any law enforcement officers were members of the motorcycle clubs at the expo. White said he didn’t know. He said, however, “There were no Denver police officers involved.”Quote:
Originally Posted by ImNtUrBuddyGuy
In my days clubs were clubs and cops were cops.
WTF happened???
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Sons of Marijuanarchy ?
I guess it is like Kazoo & me, similar avatars...
I believe the term you're looking for is "consensual violence."Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
I have no problem with those participating in consensual violence dying; it makes the world a safer place for everyone else.
It's the innocent, collateral damage that's reprehensible.
O2
Once H-D's became affordable AND acceptable for the general public to ride. It went down hill. H-D pulled the Old Honda playbook out of storage, dusted it off and marketed it to john & jane doe.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavite1
I know you remember
YOU MEET THE NICEST PEOPLE ON A HONDA.
Another part of the issue was when anyone wearing a cut off was given a pass instead of beat down. Top & Bottom Rockers saying INDEPENDENT, unfukingbelieveable.
The wheels on the wagon go round & round.
The IOMC mistakenly decided to challenge the big boys by creating an "independent" MC. They're playing dress-up and paying the price.
If a group of gun enthusiasts in LA decided to form their own club and colors and gang signs and run around flashing them in Blood's or Crip's territory, we'd see the same thing.
Idiots.
https://ironordermc.com/
But it is make believe when you wear the costume but don't want to follow the rules.Quote:
Our path is the toughest path for any motorcycle club and we have great pride in staying the course no matter what. But if you do choose to try and join us and you make it, then you are joining the elite, the chosen, the dedicated, It might be the hardest thing you ever do. It will definitely be the hardest thing to stand up for but there is a good reason for that. This is an MC. It is not make believe.
I'll disagree on the aspect of HD's being affordable. For the past 15 years at least they are consistently one of the most expensive brands- was lucky on my last purchase, got a '14 Dyna with 3700 miles and the 103 motor for under $12k which is still stupid. I love it, gives me the ride I like.
In over 45 years of riding and racing (as a teen) I've owned most of the major brands and like them all.
When Sonny Barger came through Denver a number of years ago to promote a book I heard him talk about how if he had his choice he'd be on a BMW-this was at Rocky Mtn HD. Of course he stated that the outlaws/1%ers would only ride HDs for the image.
The leos I know that ride belong to The Sentinels if they belong to any club. More belong to veteran groups that are definitely not 1%ers.
A good read about The Mongols is William Queen's "Under and Alone". He's a former Ranger then ATF and successfully infiltrated them and it led to many convictions. Unlike that flake "Jaybird" Dobbins who blew his task to get in to the Angels and didn't get a single conviction.
So when are us dual sporters/ADVers going to get in on this action? I feel left out!
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Originally Posted by Skip
Just wait
You're going to see the domestic terrorism angle bandied about in weeks to come.
You'll really go WTF? When the clubs are referred to as MILITIA'S ON 2 WHEELS.
It's affordable since you can finance a new or used H-D at a dealers for up to 8 years. NO MONEY DOWN! Hell yeah where do i sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
AS for Barger, well he's become a status symbol. When one thinks (if they do) of the HA / Local 81 who do they think of ? Sonny Barger.
At one time it was the Big 5. As i said, every swinging dick wears a patch of some kind. The worse is those SOA morons. ANYONE seen wearing that shit should have been given a tune up out the gate.
You want to pretend you're in some TV show tough guy mc gang. Well... you're going to get some t.v show loving.
Watch out for the jerks running wires across trails!! Met a guy on a BMW 1200 GS yesterday at Performance Cycle-he traded in his HD for it, just loves it. Very nice bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Why can't there be a clash between the Hells Angels type of clubs and all those stupid sport bike groups out there?
I like it. perhaps A pay per view titledQuote:
Originally Posted by Honey Badger282.8
WHEN CLUB MEETS MUD!
Down and Dirty becomes a new reality for those on 2 wheels!
Get it now with On demand, your Pay per View Provider.
Drool. If only I could afford one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
I have no interest in giving up the KLR though. I'd flirted with adding a street bike but never executed.
I've already checked several of Janet Reno-Napalitano's boxes. Why shouldn't I add another one? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Seriously.
Typical lawyer, cast Doubt and deflection elsewhere.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29...by-rival-gangs
Whitfield, who is flying to Denver Sunday to help handle the matter, said he didn't know if any of the Iron Order members who were injured or who attended the event were police officers.
"I believe one of our guys that was jumped may have been an African American[facepalm]. That is not looked on with high regard in some" other clubs, he said.
Oh great, lawyer (liar) to the rescue-barf! And you're spot on about about the tools wearing SOA shirts. 2 years ago at this same event saw two guys wearing that crap get verbally raped by SOS and Angels for wearing it-they left quickly.
It's really a drag this happened because there have always been outstanding old machines on display to drool over. That was the only reason I ever went.
I bought my first Harley when I was 17. Got my first tattoo shortly thereafter.
Why?
Because only THOSE people rode Harleys and had tattoos.
That's why I rode, because I like being one of THOSE people.
You built your sled from the ground up, it was a part of you. When my wife moved in with me there was a small block Ford with a tunnel ram on it where the kitchen table should be and a chopped, hardtail '77 Sportster where the coffee table should be.
It was a way of life.
The first time I saw some dentist/lawyer/accountant otherwise douchebag on a brand new Ultra Glide in shorts and tennis shoes I knew that way of life didn't have the same meaning.
Well said. Well said...Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
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Yeah, the days of doing crank, beating the old lady senseless, and terrorizing the local police are pretty much over these days.
Where have all of the good times gone?
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Originally Posted by ray1970
Don't bring your childhood into this......[Coffee]
The whole incident was set up by the Stealth MC. I blame those bastards...
Back in the 90's the Orange County (CA) Sheriff's and the local city LE enacted an unofficial "No Colors" policy. If you were riding through there wearing colors you were pulled over and any and all equipment violations were ticketed and many, many bikes ended up getting slung on the back of a wecker (they did not call a flatbed) even if the rider was not arrested. The local clubs moved out, the most notable being the Hessians out of Costa Mesa.
Then the Vagos and the Hells Angels moved in. The pres' of the not quite established HA was arrested for meth trafficking (I donated to his legal defense fund) and the Greenies were put under extremely strict scrutiny. Neither club wore their colors in OC. I left in 1999 and don't know the current situation there.
I stopped going to the swap meet years ago, too many egos, overpriced used junk, and attitudes. The clubs all seem to get along at my shop, something about "holy ground"...
Thats funny, I know of one lone Hessian that lives out here in Colorado. I miss the old days without all the RUBS and HIPSTERS, they suck.