We need better than reciprocity

All this talk about relocating has me thinking that instead of just CHL reciprocity, we need transferability.

When we moved here from Kansas, we took our drivers licenses down to the DMV and they issued us CO DLs, no muss, no fuss, no test, no waiting. In the few weeks from the time we moved to the time we got our new CO licenses our old KS ones were still perfectly legal for us to drive on.

But if you move from one state to another, the instant you move your old CHL is no longer any good and you can't get a new one for 60-90 days (and often have to retake the CCW class in the new state).

So you're effectively disarming law abiding new residents during the time they're the most vulnerable (they're driving cars with out of state plates, which attracts criminals and you don't know where the bad parts of town are ... for chrissake we lived our first 3 months here in an apartment at South Circle and Monterrey).

If I move to someplace else, I should be able to walk into the local Sheriff's office with my El Paso County Colorado CHL and hand it to the lady behind the counter and she'll give me a shiny new CHL for wherever I've moved to, just like the DMV will do with my drivers license.

I still remember having to take a basic driver's licensing and eye test, but I may be mis-remembering the mid-1990s.

Rather than having new laws that say we can do this or we can't do that, I propose we just change the text of the 2A to:

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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. And you can carry your gun anywhere you damn well please as long as you're responsible and law-abiding. And one other thing...fuck Barack Obama.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

And one other thing...fuck Barack Obama.

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No, thank you. You can if you want to.

I was thinking more along the lines of how Bert likes to describe it. You know...drills, cactus, ebola, etc...

If I moved between states that had reciprocity, I think I'd just carry until my new chl arrived.

And ultimately the whole licensing process is for the government to give you permission to put a jacket on over your firearm.

Legislators create laws. Laws create criminals; ergo Less government would decrease the number of criminals and fewer criminals would likely lower the crime rate. Added benefit, less government should lower the tax burden on those citizens and corporations that pay taxes. Win Win!

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

You know, the longer I know you the more it makes me wonder how you still have a job.

Do the people you work for know you are this sensible? Surely not.

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He's his departments Ron Swanson.

Wood working and meat eating are much more productive than government work.

Agree with Zund. Every time the Dem's come up with some "common sense gun laws" the R's should paste some amendments on that removes state's reciprocity, mag limitations, ammo purchase, gun types nonsense laws that does nothing to prevent gun crime. Oh and throw in a check off box for quick TSA check when I provide fingerprints, FBI background etc for NFA items.

I know I am with you about the 2nd and really should not need a licence, or limit what, and how many I want to purchase but I would love to see the Dems squirm some or just get squarely kicked in the nads just once.

I had this same issue when I moved away from Colorado to Omaha. Had to retake the class, but couldn't until I had a legal address (sold and bought a house). Essentially went 3ish months without a legal Nebraska CCW. I am of the same opinion as the OP when you move you are most vulnerable.

Here's the kicker. When I called the state patrol out here about the legality of carrying with my Colorado CCW (reciprocity) even though I had a Nebraska drivers license they told me..
Quote: that's a bit of a grey area. State patrol will honor your Colorado CCW but if you are stopped by a city PD they might not validate it. Essentially there isn't a rule saying it's illegal, you are just in a grey area up to the discretion of the officer making the stop.

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Originally Posted by SamuraiCO

Agree with Zund. Every time the Dem's come up with some "common sense gun laws" the R's should paste some amendments on that removes state's reciprocity, mag limitations, ammo purchase, gun types nonsense laws that does nothing to prevent gun crime. Oh and throw in a check off box for quick TSA check when I provide fingerprints, FBI background etc for NFA items.

I know I am with you about the 2nd and really should not need a licence, or limit what, and how many I want to purchase but I would love to see the Dems squirm some or just get squarely kicked in the nads just once.

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Along those lines, and a slight thread derailment with apologies to the OP; has anyone applied for Trusted Traveler and been denied that perhaps, has NFA and no other circumstances that would normally preclude acceptance into the program? Not sure they always say why someone is denied, but a coworker was denied and was told it was due to an arrest (no conviction) as a juvenile. Seemed pretty petty to me. He later enlisted in the Navy without issue and had, I believe, a TS clearance, and has no trouble passing recent BGC for either weapons or work related.

Just curious if that would be cause for the TSA to deny one into the program. Agreed that I've gone through way more scrutiny than the average Joe and should be afforded some consideration for that.

I usually get TSA PRE, nearly 100% going out of Denver, not always coming back in. Probably ~90% of the time but with the wait time increases, I'm planning to apply for it.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

All this talk about relocating has me thinking that instead of just CHL reciprocity, we need deregulation.

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Fixed it for you. If you give the federal government the authority to force states to act in a way that you like, the feds can just as easily force states to act in a way that you don't like. We've seen this play out against us hundreds of times.

There shouldn't be CHL reciprocity because there shouldn't be CHLs. Licensing is when the state takes away your right to do something and then sells it back to you.

Thanks for posting this.... I need to apply for my TX permit (takes 60-180 days ,but they DO issue to non-residents).... when my address changes, I have 30 days to notify TX DPS. And at that point my CO permit is invalid.

This brings up a good point. If I move to another state, I wonder what the requirements to notify, validity, and potential gaps there might be for another non-resident permit (Utah in my case.)

Things that make you go Hmmm. [Dunno]

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

You know, the longer I know you the more it makes me wonder how you still have a job.

Do the people you work for know you are this sensible? Surely not.

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Even worse. He's been know to stop by our place, every so often.

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

Thanks for posting this.... I need to apply for my TX permit (takes 60-180 days ,but they DO issue to non-residents).... when my address changes, I have 30 days to notify TX DPS. And at that point my CO permit is invalid.

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Are you in TX now? We are moving just out side of Austin at the end of the month. Everything is happening very very fast and have not gotten to this yet. Both my wife and I have our CHL. We have an address already if that matters much.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

All this talk about relocating has me thinking that instead of just CHL reciprocity, we need transferability.

When we moved here from Kansas, we took our drivers licenses down to the DMV and they issued us CO DLs, no muss, no fuss, no test, no waiting. In the few weeks from the time we moved to the time we got our new CO licenses our old KS ones were still perfectly legal for us to drive on.

But if you move from one state to another, the instant you move your old CHL is no longer any good and you can't get a new one for 60-90 days (and often have to retake the CCW class in the new state).

So you're effectively disarming law abiding new residents during the time they're the most vulnerable (they're driving cars with out of state plates, which attracts criminals and you don't know where the bad parts of town are ... for chrissake we lived our first 3 months here in an apartment at South Circle and Monterrey).

If I move to someplace else, I should be able to walk into the local Sheriff's office with my El Paso County Colorado CHL and hand it to the lady behind the counter and she'll give me a shiny new CHL for wherever I've moved to, just like the DMV will do with my drivers license.

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I've been arguing this for years. I have even explained this to other law enforcement officers using your example above.

Not really a Trump guy, but this is one of the things he has said he wanted to do, help make the CCW system national.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

...help make the CCW system national.

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Yeah, let's get back to the Constitution. It has a better track record than the progressives.


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Originally Posted by Slapps74

Are you in TX now? We are moving just out side of Austin at the end of the month. Everything is happening very very fast and have not gotten to this yet. Both my wife and I have our CHL. We have an address already if that matters much.

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Just visiting looking at houses- about ready to make another offer (first one fell thru, it was a bit low- but what we were willing/able to do without selling our current house)

from what I can tell, you don't need an address in TX to get a non-resident LTC (as of Jan 1, it's no longer called a "Concealed Handgun License" and is now a "License to Carry")
but you have to take a training course- trying to look up those requirements- I probably need to coordinate the class with one of my trips to TX- should be <60 days from the time you submit paperwork with the training certificate. The 180 days comes in to play if your paperwork isn't complete.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Yeah, let's get back to the Constitution. It has a better track record than the progressives.


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I don't mean to derail, but national CCW is the least of our constitutional concerns. I am extremely worried about the Supreme Court Justice picks.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

I don't mean to derail, but national CCW is the least of our constitutional concerns. I am extremely worried about the Supreme Court Justice picks.

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And $19 Trillion debt.

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Originally Posted by SamuraiCO

And $19 Trillion debt.

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And tremendous bloat of government bureaucracy in affairs outside those established and limited in the document.

Just to further derail (sort of)... it looks to me like the way the open carry law reads in TX that went into effect Jan 1, that you still have to have a LTC permit to open carry...
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl...egislation.htm
http://keranews.org/post/heres-what-...en-carry-texas
"In Texas, in order to openly carry a gun, you have to have a concealed-handgun license."
Did somebody lose sight of what those words mean? (I guess that's why they changed it to an "LTC" (License to Carry))

This is some serious BS... and I'll have a field day with anyone bitching about it... "I moved here from CO, where you didn't need ANY permission from the gov't to carry openly... before that, I lived in AZ and AK, where you don't need any permission to carry open OR concealed"... remind me WTF you're bitching about?

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Originally Posted by SamuraiCO

Agree with Zund. Every time the Dem's come up with some "common sense gun laws" the R's should paste some amendments on that removes state's reciprocity, mag limitations, ammo purchase, gun types nonsense laws that does nothing to prevent gun crime. Oh and throw in a check off box for quick TSA check when I provide fingerprints, FBI background etc for NFA items.

I know I am with you about the 2nd and really should not need a licence, or limit what, and how many I want to purchase but I would love to see the Dems squirm some or just get squarely kicked in the nads just once.

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The R's of today are not the R's of old. No stones these days. Sad.

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Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

The R's of today are not the R's of old. No stones these days. Sad.

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The Rs of today are like the Ds of old.


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