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Practice.
Agreed. I just don't know _what_ to practice.
Are the sights different? Im guessing they are. I hate standard glock sights not a fan. Put on new sights. Other tjan that could just be your grip...lots of different factors though
Different grip angle will throw you off.
I'd say it's somewhat not fair comparing 5 inch full size guns vs a compact. (Sight radius is a huge deal.)
Yes basic glock sites are kinda bleh, I've bought/issued all mine with Trijicon night sites which are much more usable.
There's a discussion or two about this issue here
https://www.ar-15.co/forums/91-Handguns
Outside practice and Grip (being the bigger of the two) this cheat sheet is a start
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8384/6n78.jpg
I switched to carrying a Glock as I figured it's finish was much more durable than what it currently carried. Anyhooo.... It took a while for me to get accustomed to shooting it with a fair degree of accuracy. I figured out it was the trigger that was throwing me off. Much of this occurred while dry firing. I just really practiced the trigger pull and watched what the sights did as the trigger broke. At this point, I feel I have worked out the bugs on my end and can shoot reasonable size groups at the point-of-aim. I am now contemplating replacing the factory sights with something capable of a little finer tuning.
It's likely broken. Send it in for warranty repair.
I bought a set of LPA sights for a hunting glock. Super happy with them. Even came with a tiny adjusting tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama
Take the back straps off. It will be more in line with the 1911.
First inclination is the trigger difference. Maybe some dry fire, maybe ball and dummy drills? See if you are flinching.
haha! CLEARLY! heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben4372
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm leaning toward grip. I don't think I've really gotten a good, consistent grip on it - whereas 1911s, they're the first pistol I shot, and I've been shooting them on and off for a long time.
Fitz91d - yup, and that's why I brought the 3" Sig. I've had my Commander/4.25" gun out with it, side by side, saw the same things. I was trying to eliminate two variables tonight - the _platform_, and my ammo. I literally put a bunch of different rounds into a bag - kinda the scraps of what I've created - from 90g to 147g projectiles, "good" projectiles, "cheap," bulk projectiles, and I have NO idea what powder charge is behind them (generally speaking, I load "good" projectiles close to max per my various load data books, and "cheap," target-y projectiles at about 60% of max, try to keep crappy bullets under their max recommended velocity).
With Remington hollow point in the Glock, and a literal handful of whatever was in the bag in the Sig, the difference was _far_ more than barrel length.
I just suck at glocks.
ahh who knows. I'm going to try a smaller backstrap, see if I can get a more consistent grip on the gun. That kinda has to be it.
Thanks!
Oh - sights - stock rear sight, night-sight front. Trigger is aftermarket, forget brand, but allegedly "comparable" to a "stock" 1911 trigger.
(that's optimistic marketing, but it is pretty good).
The rear sight might need some adjustment - pretty consistent POI left of POA, further left than normal - but I'd not be concerned if I were getting similar groups, just left of center - yeah, they're mostly left, but they're all over the place, whereas with a 1911, I tend to pull left a _bit_, it is not THAT bad, and the groups are pretty consistent. There's little consistency with the glock, save "left." I tend to pull left overall - that's clearly a "me" problem (the whole thing is a "me" problem....), but I'm hesitant to blame the sights.
If I could get similar groupings, sure, sights - but they're not similar. At all.
maybe you're the kind of guy that just can't shoot a glock
yup. Possibly. I'm stubborn, though, I like to figure junk out.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111
but...if I put the effort in and STILL can't hit the ocean from a boat, I'll concede.
I can shoot my CZs just fine. Well, except that horrid DA first round, but I could get past that.
Put a laser on it and watch the dot while you pull the trigger. That may show if you're doing something as you pull the trigger.
1911s point very naturally for me with their grip angle. To me, it's akin to pointing my finger. It's instinctive. The trigger pull is also fairly short.
Glocks have a different grip angle and don't point naturally for me. The only Glock that works well for me is their oddity that is the G36. Between a G19 and a Walther PPQ, I'll take the PPQ every time and twice on Sunday. If Glock were my only option, I'd eventually make it work, but I don't have to. [Neene1]
Lose the white-outlined rear sight. The more inconspicuous the rear, the better. Replace it, turn it around, sharpie it out. Whatever.
If you're a 1911 guy, the trigger is probably what's bugging you the most. Pull straight rearward. It'll make you shoot your 1911s better, too.
Pay attention to where on your finger you're pulling the trigger with. A loose grip while you try different placements will help you find the one that least-disturbs your shot picture as you pull.
Ammo can make a difference. WWB shoots poorly in almost any platform, but is especially dogshit in OEM Glock barrels, from my experience.
I saw a couple people mention grip angle not feeling right. Try an experiment. Point at an object across the room. Now rotate your hand to a vertical position (like you're firing a gun) while still pointing. The angle should be familiar.
First off, you bought four 1911s in one day? Damn!
Second, I'm not sure grip angle would affect group size; it would definitely affect speed for the first on-target shot if you are not used to it. More likely, it's the trigger that's getting you, which would take practice to overcome. And by "practice" I mean a few hundred rounds of slow fire work (over multiple sessions) where you shoot only the Glock. I had similar poor grouping issues with a new Beretta 92, but after some intense practice, I could get most of the holes touching at 7 yards.
The 1911 has one of the better triggers so you will be fighting that change. Also the site picture will play a big part of it with the combo of different style sites along with a shorter barrel. The best thing I have read here is the use of either a laser on the pistol; or some sort of training aide that mimics the feel of the Glock.
You could always buy a CZ-p10
Glock has a 2 stage trigger pull. Separate the 2 stages and focus on maintaining the sight picture as it fires. Prep and press, prep and press, prep and press.
Not to discount all the good advice you have gotten so far, but it is actually a possibility there is something wrong with the Glock. Have you tried a different one? To see if you get the same results? Or had a good Glock shooter try yours?
It happens, I don't get along with Glocks or the XD, my wife shoots a Glock really good. I shoot a S&W revolver better than my 1911 but I shoot the 1911 better than a Glock. I carry the 1911 with a J-frame for backup.
Not that he would be doing this - you are shooting jacketed ammo thru the Glock, right?
Problem solved, ask around.
Lots more good stuff. I took the backstrap off, feels better, meant to get to range, did not happen. Tomorrow, maybe.
I bRought four 1911s with me. Not bought. Not sure if I typoed or what.
I'll post back with the results of the backstrap change. It does feel better, I think.
Bullets are jacketed. 99% were Hornady hollow points, a few Sierra. I don't use cast lead at all. I'm hesitant to run my Xtreme bullets in it, my 1911s don't care, and the Internet suggests they'd be fine in the Glock, but. ....hmm.
I'm not generally a fan of striker fired, but I do REALLY like my czs. We'll see. I'm not likely to buy another striker gun. I don't like them, as a rule.
I should have a known-quantity glock person shoot it, but I really don't think it is the gun. I suppose that's possible, I should eliminate that variable, but. ..hmm.
Thanks again!
Are you riding the trigger and feeling the reset between shots?
Never an issue with xtreme's in any caliber or firearm. Mostly tupperware around the homestead.
Trigger/reset - yes. Very deliberate.
GK - thanks for the confirmation on the Xtreme bullets! I figured they'd be ok, but the Glock is new to me/just want to be sure/wanted to eliminate bad ammo as best I could. I intentionally ran only factory rounds, or my "thought to be good" handloads in the Glock, stuffed whatever I could fund into the 1911s. I've honestly never really had accuracy issues that I feel like I can blame the ammo for, my handloads are at least ok, and frankly, I don't feel as though I'm consistent enough to distinguish between me and the ammo.
Thanks!
April Fools!Quote:
Originally Posted by TEAMRICO
If you like the reset on a 1911, do yourself a favor and check out the Walther PPQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by mannix
Figured I'd update - I took a dremel to the trigger guard, did the trigger-undercut-whatever to it, much better AND my middle finger does not hurt after shooting it.
I'm still way better with my 1911s, but when I look at the results with the Glock, it strikes me as though that's what I told it to do. Seems that the sharp edge of the trigger guard kept me from being at least a little consistent on the grip.
Thanks for the suggestions!
I have also heard the glock was designed to have your trigger finger hold the trigger in the crease of the bend and not on the pad. I have seen this make difference when you also take up the first stage and stop at the sear. Definitely different trigger systems.
Take it to a bowling pin match. This will force you to shoot accurately, and quickly. You're body will figure out what you need to do, then you don't have to try and figure it out in your head first.