Make a rifle less rude?

For Christmas, I got myself a CZ 527 in .223. I love it, it's a neat bolt-action carbine with iron sights, extremely smooth action (scaled-down mauser) with a 5rd detachable magazine, and in a caliber that I have plenty of and don't mind plinking away with at the range.

Where I live (Northern Virginia) there are basically only indoor ranges if you want to shoot. If you want to shoot outdoors, there's only private clubs (with 5yr waiting list, $3,000 initiation fees, etc) or you can drive out about 2hrs for a shitty, state-run 100yrd hunting sight-in spot where handguns aren't allowed >:\

Now, I took it out to my indoor range that is amazingly only 5min away and in which I have an annual membership ($250, ouch). I was shooting it and enjoying the hell out of it. Only minor complaint is that there's a hell of a fireball out the front, which I don't even really care about. When I was leaving, the RSO who I'm on great terms with laughed and told me I drove away the shooters to the left and right of me who all mentioned my rifle's report, then asked what the hell caliber that was. I looked confused, told him it's just .223, and he said "Well that thing is LOUD." He wasn't annoyed, but just surprised that this thing was putting out such a blast. They love ARs at the range, and the guy told me that people were shooting ARs the whole time and it was just mild "pops", and then when I fired this bolt action with a plain muzzle, it was quite the boom.

Now, it's not overly loud to me as the shooter, but I don't want to be that guy that is making teeth-fillings knock loose for the people in the next lane over. I at least find it extremely annoying when someone brings their SBR with compensator and the flash & concussion is cutting right through the lane divider. So I'm thinking of taking the rifle to get the barrel threaded to put either my SiCo Omega on it, or to get a Noveske KX3/KX5 to direct the blast down-range.

Thoughts? Am I overreacting? Part of me doesn't want to throw down ~$200 in 'smithing fees to have this done ($100 to thread the barrel, $50 for them to strip the barrel from the receiver to fit it into their laithe, another $50 to move the front-sight back as it's at the end of the barrel currently), but the other part of me doesn't want to discourage shooters (there's easily a 70-30% male to female ratio there at any time, they bring in tons of new female shooters) from wanting to go shoot because of obnoxiously loud guns.

If I did go the KX5 route, would this mitigate the blast issue? I suppose it might also work to just put on a A2 flash hider on there.

http://www.impactguns.com/data/defau...czu_03050c.jpg

I'm curious on how this turns out. I got one too in December for my birthday. Mines in 7.62x39 though. Sweet little guns.


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Originally Posted by Gunner

I'm curious on how this turns out. I got one too in December for my birthday. Mines in 7.62x39 though. Sweet little guns.

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Does yours have a comparable muzzle-blast to the sides?

I know other people have had their 527's modified to put silencers on them. I'd also have to make sure that the sight line isn't obstructed by the OD of the can.

I haven't shot it yet haha


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People complain at an indoor range? ANY center fire gun will be loud in a confined space. Perhaps they should be on the line when a shooter lights off his 308.

I don't like indoor ranges for that issue, everyone's rifle sounds loud and rude to me as i shoot suppressed.

Adding a brake only compounds the noise issue, a flash hider does nothing for noise (it's a Flash Hider) you could try (if possible) shooting with the muzzle out some more , reducing (but not much) the concussion one gets when confined between the cubicle.

OR load some sub sonic rounds.

I'll let you borrow my 223 and they will appreciate yours more. I think a suppressor is really the best option obviously. You can try a flash can to send the blast forward instead. I have one I'll send you if you want to throw it on

Pardon my ignorance, what is a flash can?

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Originally Posted by Erni

Pardon my ignorance, what is a flash can?

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https://www.kakindustry.com/kak-industry-flash-can

Directs gasses/flash forward, which should also assist in directing sound forward

I'm fortunate to have a range nearby with a 100 yard indoor range, so while it is still loud, it is expected since everyone is shooting rifles. I have the same problem when I bring my 45 Colt and 454 Casull revolvers to the range. I will warn shooters in the lanes adjacent to me that I'm shooting a big bore or advise the RSO that I'm doing so and see if they can put me next to the wall or away from other shooters if possible. Unfortunately it is still an indoor range and folks should expect it to get loud.

Ahh, thank you. The cone inside the kak reminds me of the jungle carbine cone.

I'd personally start with some googley eyes on the stock.

Next time you go to the range, shoot a few rounds through a 30-06 or 300 Win Mag first.
Switch to the .223 and people won't think it's loud at all.

A linear comp? Something like the Kaw Valley? http://www.kawvalleyprecision.com/KV...linear-blk.htm

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Pardon my ignorance, what is a flash can?

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Some call it a blast shield.

I normally shoot outdoors unless I need to test stuff in a controlled environment. Last time I went to my indoor range was to adjust the gas control screw on my (brake equipped) SCAR 17. I had to check operation both suppressed and unsuppressed. I was courteous and warned all shooters about my gun. I still emptied the range FAST when I started firing unsuppressed. Still, as long as you warn everyone, you're just as entitled to the range as anyone else.

I'm slightly confused. If you're going to put anything on it, you'll need the smithing/threading regardless. Why not just do it and use the can?

That's like going to an air show and complaining about the noise. Certainly some firearms are louder than others but a person at a public range should assume it can be extremely loud.

Sorry I haven't come back to this thread for awhile. Basically, I took it again and shot it some, then asked the guy in the next lane to shoot it a few times while I stood in his lane. It was loud, but not nearly as bad as others before had made it out to be- much less than an AR with a compensator. I don't think I'm going to do be doing anything to it, because it's really not concussively bad.

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Originally Posted by Spdu4ia

I'll let you borrow my 223 and they will appreciate yours more. I think a suppressor is really the best option obviously. You can try a flash can to send the blast forward instead. I have one I'll send you if you want to throw it on

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Ah thanks for the offer, but I'm good for muzzle devices, would just need to get it threaded if I decided to go that route.

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I normally shoot outdoors unless I need to test stuff in a controlled environment. Last time I went to my indoor range was to adjust the gas control screw on my (brake equipped) SCAR 17. I had to check operation both suppressed and unsuppressed. I was courteous and warned all shooters about my gun. I still emptied the range FAST when I started firing unsuppressed. Still, as long as you warn everyone, you're just as entitled to the range as anyone else.

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Yeah good point. It's not the die-hard shooters that I'm worried about offending, so much as all the newbies and ladies (who are usually brought by their male SO shooters) that are there. I want the people who go to that range (or any range) to have an enjoyable time and to want to come back and shoot and support the sport, and having their fillings rattle loose in their mouths which detracts from that isn't something I want to contribute to.

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Originally Posted by brutal

I'm slightly confused. If you're going to put anything on it, you'll need the smithing/threading regardless. Why not just do it and use the can?

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True. One thing with the can is that I only have one for that caliber, and I'd rather have just some muzzle device that I can stick on for cheap & forget about.