I have enough property I have kicked around this idea. Obviously it wouldn't be cheap and there are some legalities to consider. But does anyone know a company that would consider such a things in the Denver area?
I have enough property I have kicked around this idea. Obviously it wouldn't be cheap and there are some legalities to consider. But does anyone know a company that would consider such a things in the Denver area?
The dudes hanging around in front of Home Depot should be able to get that done in a few hours.
Tell them it's a tunnel to get under a fence.
Culvert pipe what ever distance you want. Some kind of system to bring targets to & from berm (clothes line pulley system) works. A few fans behind shooter to move air downrange. You're looking at $75 - 100K easy for a 1 lane range built to indoor spec, not including permits, opposition from common sense neighbors and getting the county to sign off.
here's a link for your reading entertainment. The prices quoted are on the conservative side, for a multi lane unit. They do give some numbers for single lane. We looked in to a commercial lot indoor range 20 - 25 years ago. At that time it was $1 million ish for a 25 yard, 10 - 15 lane building, land not included.
http://www.shooting-academy.com/medi...ng%20range.pdf
There was a company I saw maybe 2 to 3 years ago that did this sort of thing (though more commercial than private usually) and I talked to the guy about it some. He thought a simple one lane one could be done for 20k or so. But I'll be damned if I can't find his info again.
A guy I shot with had to build a retaining wall, and while he was at it asked the city if he could turn it into a "wine cellar". 25 yards long.
72" concrete pipe costs +or- 500$ a linear foot to install. The end caps, venting, and everything else would all be more. The per foot price would spike as well if a decent footage wasn't needed.
Sounds like a simple DIY project if you ask me.
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Big trench and connex shipping containers buried.
http://denver.craigslist.org/fod/5953350847.html
Don't bury Conex boxes. Bad things happen. They are meant to be stacked with the pressure on the edges - not over the center.Quote:
Originally Posted by gnihcraes
I want to see pictures of the failure. Assume less than 10' to top.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
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Originally Posted by Jamnanc
Thanks, I assume someone was driving on it??Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
Either during backfill or after. I've had crew members destroy corrugated metal pipe immediately after installation, but it will hold up for thirty years if it's not point loaded. It looks like the dirt is very wet too. That would add a lot of pressure.
If I had some coin I would DYI. No permissions needed, just money.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
I doubt anyone was driving on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
These are built to carry the load very specifically, and when the load isn't in the right places, they fail very quickly.
Did the dirt get there by itself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grant H.
I'm a Mason and need a place to shoot. They even make sound deadening block that I've used on high school gyms to keep the sound to a minimum.
Look into box culverts, pre-cast concrete, made to be underground.
Precast pipe/culverts are probably more expensive in the end than just digging a trench and forming/pouring concrete walls and a ceiling in place.
Backstop, lighting, target mover and ventilation will add to the price.
As far as who would build it.. Pretty much any contractor could do the job if you had the design and specs laid out.
Consider water table and drainage as well.
It's actually more the design and specs that's the problem. Obviously you'd want to do it right the first time. Ideally you have someone who has done something with Shooting ranges before so they can know what you need but also where to save.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Yes, very important.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Precast is almost always cheaper. Otherwise you'd see more cast in place culverts.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
Depends.. The advantage of Precast in a civil engineering/construction situation is that you get speed of installation over cost of product. Precast is also going to limit you to a specific size and shape that is available on the market. The size of the project is going to be a big determiner of which system is used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
Depending on how big and what amenities you want (power, lighting, ventilation, etc...), it might be cheaper to buy a piece of land somewhere where you can just shoot whatever, whenever. And you'd still have land.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
If this underground range is tied to residential property, it could negatively impact your property value.
Valid points, however, if you want to buy property to shoot on you are looking at buying out in Pawnee or something. Which is fine except why not just shoot at pawnee. Sort of defeats the purpose. The idea is to be able to go blast away whenever. And while it can affect property value, we built our forever home so until we simply can't care for the home anymore we plan to stay there. Obviously things change, but frankly property values can go up or down depending on anything you do, such as a pool, shed, whatever. Some people want it, some dont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Another issue is Lead Mitigation. Building it correctly with permits and associated cost will, again, put you in the $50-100K range. You have well water? Once a neighbor gets wind of it (zoning hearing) they'll shut you down real quick. Under the guise of lead leaching in to ground water and other assorted "panic" issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
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The area surrounding Liberty Range face hysterics from the time it was announced. What if, how come, why, what about the children, shit mentality. If you have just 1 I'm With Hillary or Bernie 2016 sticker in your area, GFL.
I can't possibly imagine any convenience factor of having to purchase the property vs the spot I have at pawnee now. I drive off road no problem, super flat, elevated ground for bavk stop, no major roads, hidden from the road, 1000 yard range easy. Now if I lived out there sure it would be useful. To buy a piece that I have to drive to just like I do to the public land I shoot on? What's the point? I'd have a hard time finding a better piece AND I would have to pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Lead mitigation isn't really a problem. The fella and I discussed that and had a few solutions. Neighbors would actually be the biggest issue, though they aren't extreme liberals as we have discussed guns and such before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
The idea is you don't say "hey I'm building a gun range". You have it designed but when building call it somrthing else, just as people with safe rooms and vaults often do. The issue is simply the legalities of shooting, even underground, as well as neighbors hearing it. Even with sound proofing it could be a problem. Get those two things figured out then it's simply money.
This is the primary issue in my comment about affecting property value. It's not a matter of whether or not new owners want a range or not. If it's attached to the home, any future buyer will be concerned about lead making its way into the living spaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Second the bad idea to bury Conex boxes. Plenty of info on the subject across the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
Use curragated metal or plastic drain pipes, they are much cheaper and resistant to crushing forces.
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Bury as many of these end to end as you need/can fit or afford, running from your basement connected to a "new septic tank" so that you can access the backstop easily to reclaim lead, and maintain the target backers. Use 4"x4" timbers to create a frame that has a repurposed materials conveyer belt section covering it, and shredded rubber pellets as a bullet catcher.
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Originally Posted by tmckay2
Curious who you're talking to to say it isn't a problem ? You want an underground range, go for it. IF you ever sell your home, or there's an issue with a neighbor. Better have a good lawyer and very deep pockets. Those EPA fuktards get wind of a range, especially underground and they didn't have input.................
Now if you do it, don't say anything to anyone. Rent a backhoe or find a forum member with one, pay them $$ do the install on a week day and call it good.
I don't disagree, I just bet I could do it successfully if I tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
It can absolutely be done, it's just the additional cost of rebar, concrete, andQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
I- Beams would negate any real cost savings unless the materials are free, you own the necessary equipment, and you value your own time for labor at the same rate as a Mexican lettuce picker.
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Nah, just clean sandy backfill, placed carefully. Maybe an underdrain and good drainage away. I bet most of these are installed by goofy bubba types.
Take up archery.
LFI was only a $23,000,000 investment
Of course not, however, back filling doesn't require driving on it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
Conex shipping containers are designed to carry the weight in the corners. The only real structural metal is the very corners of them. The walls and ceiling are 14ga corrugated steel.
Without significant reinforcement, 8' spans of 14ga steel cannot support the weight of dirt, whether it's light sandy back fill or otherwise.