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Hey guys,I was in Texas working when the magazine limit went into affect here in Colorado. I was wondering if someone that truly knows and is not just speculating could tell me how much the NRA did to try to fight the magazine limit laws that went into affect here a few years ago. Any history or updates on the subject would be great as well. Thanks!
Made no difference, the D's had their mind made up prior to any public feed back. There's who knows how many forum members who attended and were blatantly ignored by legislators. main reason why 3 of them lost their seats through recalls.
Yet the NRA was engaged and did what they could. We got ignored and.steamrolled.
As mentioned, Bloomberg had bought enough Democrat legislators and Hickenlooper that there was no opportunity for a "fight". The hearings were packed with opponents of the bills who were ignored. The NRA and State affiliate did their best to inform and organize against it to no avail. The best we could do, based on the offensively stupid comment of one legislator, was get the University of Colorado carry ban bill dropped.
The actual recall efforts were more grass roots - and that was a great strength of them. The initial signature drives and recall campaigns were each locally organized with small money donations by NRA and other groups. Made it harder for the three targeted Democrats to claim it was the NRA trying to get them out.
Considering EVERY sheriff in Colorado opposed it and they were ignored...the NRA and the citizens stood no chance of getting heard.
That's a good question too - is the NRA involved in the ongoing fight to get the ban repealed? I'm sure they get a lot of money from Colorado.Quote:
Originally Posted by drumvudu
The NRA that gets the money is the membership side. The NRA-ILA is who any $$ should be going to, them and the CSSAQuote:
Originally Posted by mattiooo
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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
The only way to get the NRA involved in the fight here is to give the ILA $, and make sure to write to them to tell them that the fight here in CO isn't finished. They fully support every effort, not just at the national level.
I've been getting notifications of the pro-2A legislation from the NRA, as futile as they were. The NRA is not ignoring us.
I'd like to know what the NRA has actually ever done that's important. They remind me of the GOP. A lot of soapbox grandstanding, and yet we keep slipping into a democrat's wet dream. Am I just jaded, ignorant of their successes, and can be corrected on this view of the NRA? It's the primary reason I have refused to join their organization -- I don't see the point. Are they just a backstop to slow the slide?
Yes you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
The NRA is one of the reasons Bloomberg has dumped millions of dollars in to local elections. Sometimes his "grassroots" wins, others it gets smacked down real hard.
Unfortunately as we witnessed in CO. Having the votes in the legislature to steamroll any opponents, gun laws do get passed. The result, as mentioned before was 3 recalls. 2 lost at the ballot box, the other quit before a vote was cast.
Of course you could donate at the state level
http://www.cssa.org/
Here's a few blurbs from various media outlets. Something most search engines will bring up.
http://gun.laws.com/reform-movements/nra-and-gun-reform
One legislative victory that the NRA had in its battle against gun reforms was when it convinced the Congress to allow the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 to lapse in 2004.
http://www.businessinsider.com/state...control-2013-4
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/us/nra...rch/index.html
Thank you, GK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
I'll look into the links you provided.
Was it RMGO who everyone on here hates? I'd certainly prefer state level organizations -- particularly if they could work w/ a national org like the NRA when needed, but otherwise fight local issues on their own.
Affirmative. While RMGO's intentions were good (in the beginning) the whole Dudley My way or Not (IMO) was cause for us being stuck with the current mag restrictions. Among other numerous things, which a search will turn up. No use bringing that discussion back to life.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
I was literally first on the list of 2 out of 3 of those meetings. Never got to talk in front of them until 7-8PM when everybody had already gone home. It was a complete sham. They did not want to hear from anybody that day. It was pure and simple.... they had the votes and were required to allow public comment. As stated, the Sheriffs showed up in force to say don't do this. I have a great pic of the room full of uniforms. The NRA helped get several of what should have great pro gun speakers. The senate members on the anti gun side where too busy playing with their iPads......
When I was there they were texting to each other about what they wanted for dinner. And when I got to speak I witnessed them stuffing their faces with hamburgers. They kept asking questions in regards to James Holmes and while I can't speak for that puke I could only speak to how he was being used to infringe on my rights. I was karma really. All the times I made fun of someone from California when they asked if that was a real 15 round magazine and asked if they were legal? All I could say was how glad I was this state isn't California. Well now I know how bad if feels when I go to another state and choke on the sweet sweet air of freedom. We need to get rid of these laws guys. Maybe, another try at adding magazines and private sales of private property to the constitution is needed. We may have suffered long enough that even the hunter only class that thinks its safe would be willing to sign and vote for it?
I did see the NRA when they were having the repeal hearings and they said their speech and left. But it didn't matter when their pretty words about rights and responsibilities were falling on deaf ears.
Sorry it took so long to get back to my own thread. Had to make a short trip to the hospital. (I'm fine now). Thanks so much for all the great info here guys. This was really informative. It's still hard to imagine all the sheriffs opposing this bill yet the legislators not giving that weight. Unbelievable. It's all about money and power.
Our Sheriff's are brave men and deserve respect from all the people in Colorado. I hope they can succeed where the people failed and our elected representatives failed us.
A completely successful NRA would soon cease to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
<---- 3rd generation NRA member but not so naive as to think they aren't first and foremost about padding their own pockets.
Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
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Originally Posted by hatidua
There's a reason they're called LobbyistQuote:
Originally Posted by sellersm
That lawsuit was brought forth by The Independence Institute. They argued it all the way to the 10 Circuit Court, but it looks like there has been no movement since March 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattiooo
http://coloradoguncase.org
APEX took a paid day off and almost all our employees went to the state house to support the fight against a magazine restriction.
The NRA had at least one attorney at the meetings at the state house in Denver.
I spoke to the gent during a break.
I asked his opinion of the proceeding and what was the next action.
His response was short, blunt and to the point (I can't repeat it here)
That is when I realized we were all just playing our parts in a "political play", the citizens that spoke were the "improv" portion.
The entire event was well planned and scripted, the outcome assured before the doors opened at the state house that morning.
There were 2 "bumps" I noted, the representative from Magpul presented their position, that was unexpected (to say the least) as our democratic leaders don't seem to be aware of Colorado based companies!
The second was a Colorado attorney (Jim Winchester) who seized the opportunity to present the facts about the week+ long delays for CBI back ground checks for firearms purchase's.
He made it quite clear that this wasn't something he would let continue (as it wasn't legal), and eluded to what was about to happen if CBI continued to make artificial delays.
And, the very next morning half the pending checks were cleared and the rest were done by days end.
After that CBI checks went back to taking minutes NOT days to be completed.
During a break I had the chance to thank Mr. Winchester for presenting that argument, and was pleased the next day to see the effect it had.
Richard
I think a completely successful NRA on the legislative side would not cause the NRA to cease to exist, the ILA would just have less work to do but the fight would continue as long as there are lawmakers that continue to think that they know what is best for all of us against our own best judgment. The NRA plays other roles too in the shooting community as far as promoting the shooting sports as well as firearms safety training.
The NRA is very important to the sport, our sport, our life. We need them as much as they need us.
my $.02
TEA
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I was asked by the NRA to testify in 2013 and again after it went into effect on the repeal bill, I did both times. I then testified in court as an expert witness for RMGO just a few months ago. All other legal challenges have ended except RMGOs. But, the NRA was involved up until 2016.
In 2013, when I spoke to the (D) legislators, it was clear that is was a railroad job. Two of them told me to my face that if they did not support it, they would be primaried out, meaning the Liberal Bloomberg machine would turn on them and replace them. When I asked one how that mattered, just do the right thing, that is what you were elected to do, she answered and told me that she was too important to her constituents to lose her seat. Basically, if she (and only she) was not a legislator, all would be lost. Despicable.