Amazon, good or bad?

Evidently the Denver metro is high on Amazon's list of places to put a new operation employing up to 50,000 people!! My sister lives in Seattle (yeah, she's an uber lib LOL) and says there have been lots of negatives to having Amazon there-housing prices out of sight, traffic getting worse than it already was i.e. I guess the paper and the NPR station there are doing reports on the downside to having it there. Hmm, while I like the idea of people being employed I wonder how many of those jobs would go to out of staters versus those already here looking for work. Seems like it could turn out to be a bad thing.


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I went to seattle/kirkland/bellevue/Redmond twice last month and people there do not like Amazon. I guess amzn treats Corp people miserable.

Oh, I also went to Kent WA distribution center as well. They look extremely similar to 144 and Washington one from outside.

I personally would not live there. Houses there with about 2400 sqft is abut 1.2m. No thanks. It is almost as dumb as Palo alto ca.

Streets are narrow. Much lower speed limit even suburbs. Majority of streets near kirkland bellevue and Redmond housing area only have 2 lane both way. Trees are so tall that I even lost sense of direction. Not for me.

Now if amzn comes to CO, it will definitely fill some jobs, and we have enough land to expand relative to king county WA.

Do not want.

Mostly out of staters. Low unemployment has reduced pool of available workers.

Just the construction of facility could be worth a couple hundred illegals.

The building by I-70 and E-470 is already up and the one up north will be done within the year. Traffic already sucks here not cause of Amazon and housing prices have been way to high for the last 3-4 years. I could care less. I guess Google is also thinking about putting one of there campus here as well. So if your not happy now you'll be less if google comes.

Seattle is a hell of a lot more than "Amazon". Little mom & pop shops like Microsoft, T-Mobile, and Starbucks.

This area is being referred to as "The Silicon Mountains", which is great for employment if you're a techie (like me). I don't see this area getting any smaller. If you want to avoid people, you're going to have to try harder.

Amazon is right down there with Facebook, Twitter, and Google IMO. Positively evil company. I still buy stuff from them but not as much as I used to and really don't want them being a major corporate presence in the state.

Amazon will push the state just a little bit more to the left. So no, its not a good thing.

I have to admit I buy a LOT of stuff off of Amazon. Of course, much of it is from third-party sellers. So not everything goes to the devil. A lot of small companies are around because of the presence Amazon gives them.

There are a lot of companies out there I hate doing business with...but it's almost impossible to completely avoid them. Except Apple. I have never bought an Apple product and never will...unless I happen to be dying from something and Apple has the cure. Tough call.

Dislike Apple.

A co-Worker's daughter worked for them for a while and they are really not a good employer to work for from the perspective of longevity. When you start they offer all these great incentives (bonuses, profit sharing etc) if you stay on past a certain period of time (2 years if I remember correctly) but the catch is they have a habit of making an employee's work life an absolute hell when closing in on the benchmark time period, to the point of making you quit, or just firing you for little or no real reason.

I'm NOT a fan of unions at all, but IMHO Amazon is one of the companies out there that the employees actually should have one.

If they come here, it will be a loss in tax revenue for the city/state.
Colorado or whichever city will offer so many incentives just to land them here.

Every loss of tax revenue for a city or state is a win for the people in my book.

Hopefully I'll be high fiving Bailey Guns in 8 or 9 months and laughing about all of this.

ETA: I ordered some bore snakes and Barristol last night - take that liberals! I order A LOT of shit from Amazon as well. Living in a relatively remote area makes this awesome. I save gas and (more importantly) time. And I burn all of the cardboard boxes, further increasing my carbon footprint. Win!

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I don't know which is worse, but people said they would rather work at Oracle headquarter than Amazon headquarter.

Ouch.

Amazon = globalism = unAmerican

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Every loss of tax revenue for a city or state is a win for the people in my book.

Hopefully I'll be high fiving Bailey Guns in 8 or 9 months and laughing about all of this.

ETA: I ordered some bore snakes and Barristol last night - take that liberals! I order A LOT of shit from Amazon as well. Living in a relatively remote area makes this awesome. I save gas and (more importantly) time. And I burn all of the cardboard boxes, further increasing my carbon footprint. Win!

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If you only knew who jeff bezos was... you probably wouldn't order A LOT of shit from him.

I know who Jeff Bezos is and I order a LOT of stuff from Amazon.

It's not a comment on a person's character because they buy things from a certain company. I know who and what most Hollywood celebrities are about and I still watch some movies and TV. I use Google. If I only did business with companies that have a similar world view as mine, I most likely wouldn't own anything, go anywhere or eat/drink most products.

As I pointed out earlier...much of the stuff I order from Amazon is from other sellers that sell thru Amazon. It's not ALL about Amazon.

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I know who Jeff Bezos is and I order a LOT of stuff from Amazon.

It's not a comment on a person's character because they buy things from a certain company. I know who and what most Hollywood celebrities are about and I still watch some movies and TV. I use Google. If I only did business with companies that have a similar world view as mine, I most likely wouldn't own anything, go anywhere or eat/drink most products.

As I pointed out earlier...much of the stuff I order from Amazon is from other sellers that sell thru Amazon. It's not ALL about Amazon.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

I know who Jeff Bezos is and I order a LOT of stuff from Amazon.

It's not a comment on a person's character because they buy things from a certain company. I know who and what most Hollywood celebrities are about and I still watch some movies and TV. I use Google. If I only did business with companies that have a similar world view as mine, I most likely wouldn't own anything, go anywhere or eat/drink most products.

As I pointed out earlier...much of the stuff I order from Amazon is from other sellers that sell thru Amazon. It's not ALL about Amazon.

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I guess that is where you and I differ. I do not patronize Amazon based on principal, you patronize out of convenience.

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I know who Jeff Bezos is and I order a LOT of stuff from Amazon.

It's not a comment on a person's character because they buy things from a certain company. I know who and what most Hollywood celebrities are about and I still watch some movies and TV. I use Google. If I only did business with companies that have a similar world view as mine, I most likely wouldn't own anything, go anywhere or eat/drink most products.

As I pointed out earlier...much of the stuff I order from Amazon is from other sellers that sell thru Amazon. It's not ALL about Amazon.

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Amazon is the Ward's and Sear's of today.
People use internet versus catalogs now.
Inevitable path of change.
Death is the only way to avoid.

Isn't that a cheerful conclusion?

[Coffee]

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I guess that is where you and I differ. I do not patronize Amazon based on principal, you patronize out of convenience.

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And if I had a list of all the companies you do business with I'm sure I could say the same about you. The difference is I'm willing to admit it.

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A co-Worker's daughter worked for them for a while and they are really not a good employer to work for from the perspective of longevity. When you start they offer all these great incentives (bonuses, profit sharing etc) if you stay on past a certain period of time (2 years if I remember correctly) but the catch is they have a habit of making an employee's work life an absolute hell when closing in on the benchmark time period, to the point of making you quit, or just firing you for little or no real reason.

I'm NOT a fan of unions at all, but IMHO Amazon is one of the companies out there that the employees actually should have one.

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Profit sharing is quite possible the WORST incentive a company can offer when they don't even make a profit lmfao.


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I guess that is where you and I differ. I do not patronize Amazon based on principal, you patronize out of convenience.

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On one hand I admire your conviction, on the other hand I call BS that you support ZERO companies with opposing views to yours.

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And if I had a list of all the companies you do business with I'm sure I could say the same about you. The difference is I'm willing to admit it.

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There is truth to that as it is very hard if not impossible to not support those who hate us. However, I try to not support when possible.

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On one hand I admire your conviction, on the other hand I call BS that you support ZERO companies with opposing views to yours.

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I never typed anything about supporting zero companies with opposing views. That is your delusion.

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I never typed anything about supporting zero companies with opposing views. That is your delusion.

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Well go big or go home right, and let's not get carried away, it's more of an opinion, no delusions here.

I know who Sam Walton is and who Doug McMillon is. I know what they did with modern sporting rifles and I shop at Walmart, Walmart online, and Walmart pickup.

It sure beats porch pirates by picking up the item at pickup station slash gas station while I put my gas.
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There is truth to that as it is very hard if not impossible to not support those who hate us. However, I try to not support when possible.

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Fair enough. Now...and answer honestly...have you ever bought anything from Amazon?

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Fair enough. Now...and answer honestly...have you ever bought anything from Amazon?

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No. Not once. I have looked at Amazon, but have never used their services to purchase anything.

Ok...I'll leave it at that.

Frankly, I'm not sure if I care whether Amazon comes here or not...

Google is already here, and growing.
Amazon moving in just means more of the same.

CO is already blue. That's not changing anytime soon.
Property values continue to go up, which makes moving out easier in the near future.
Traffic blows already, and I rarely go to Denver, so "Meh"

Despite knowing who/what Bezos is, I use Amazon extensively for both personal and business needs. The time and money savings that are offered through Amazon Prime, especially the business account, out weigh the BS for me. Others may not, but that's a personal choice.

Amazon was the only place for reasonable auto parts I really needed. Rockauto was out and eBay was outrageous, the dealer was charging exorbitant prices. The politics of it, I have no clue. I think their trademark symbol looks like a dick.

That reminds me, I need to update my shopping cart.

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Frankly, I'm not sure if I care whether Amazon comes here or not...

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CO is already blue. That's not changing anytime soon.
Property values continue to go up, which makes moving out easier in the near future.
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Exactly.

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Despite knowing who/what Bezos is, I use Amazon extensively for both personal and business needs. The time and money savings that are offered through Amazon Prime, especially the business account, out weigh the BS for me. Others may not, but that's a personal choice.

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Not only that but you can turn the whole "I won't buy from them because I disagree with them" around. Jeff Bezos, who is a flaming liberal and stands against many things I stand for, makes my life and the lives of many, many conservative people, better by providing products to me/them at a better price than anyone else. And believe me when I say he ain't making much money from me because I take serious advantage of that "free" 2-day Prime shipping deal. He pays out the ass to send me a lot of the stuff I buy. Guaranteed.

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ETA: I ordered some bore snakes and Barristol last night - take that liberals! I order A LOT of shit from Amazon as well. Living in a relatively remote area makes this awesome. I save gas and (more importantly) time. And I burn all of the cardboard boxes, further increasing my carbon footprint. Win!

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Originally Posted by BladesNBarrels

Amazon is the Ward's and Sear's of today.
People use internet versus catalogs now.
Inevitable path of change.
Death is the only way to avoid.

Isn't that a cheerful conclusion?

[Coffee]

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Living in rural America today, online orders and door to door delivery is not only practical but almost a necessity. I can't tell you how many hours and hundreds of miles I logged just looking for a fucking electric blanket last month at retail stores in Longmont and Grand Junction. I ended up buying a good one for $109 via Amazon that Pennys in GJ priced at $200. The Longmont Penny's closed last month for lack of business. Go figure.

And hey, I needed new trail hiking boots but I have big feet. No brick and mortar store carries the size or quality I need. When I find something on Amazon that I need, I always look to buy direct from smaller vendors but Amazon and it's suppliers almost always wins in selection and price.


It's more than a little ironic that rural Americans who are for the most part conservative, are buying and supporting a successful mega corporation headed by an avowed leftist. These capitalists will be seen as the new age robber barons. If history is a predictor then we can expect a populist uprising, union growth and influence, and more central governmental control to control the capitalists, and then the unions. For a time a new middle class may grow but eventually only the people at the top win, particularly the .gov for the taxes it can purloin, and the executives in an ever shrinking elite.

I do not want them here in the Denver area. Too many people, crappy part time or 3/4 time jobs, do not attract quality people. Already too many people moving here with no jobs or housing for the pot. Traffic sucks enough.

Have them set up shop in La Junta, Lamar, Alamosa, Trinidad, Grand Junction, or some other smaller, more remote area. They might want the influx of people.

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Eh, if we stopped supporting people that hate us and/or screw us over, or want to/have already eliminated our rights, we'd have to start with our own gov't. Paid your taxes last year? Yeah, may as well buy from Amazon too.

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Taking "passive" resistance against the latter will have no effect on the former, where the real problem lies. Nobody is going to fix shit by buying, or not buying, from amazon, or anything else for that matter.

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Discouraging but unfortunately true. While I do vote with my feet and $$ re politicians, actors and companies, their budgets are more resilient. I'm but a fly on a lake surface. Amazon and Google, et. al, are too big until anti trust .gov or competition redistributes them.