Pretty good article (could use better editing "county police" etc). Old news to those of you up by the Peak to Peak but probably an eyeopener for a lot of flatlanders.
http://www.5280.com/2018/01/danger-in-the-forest/
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Pretty good article (could use better editing "county police" etc). Old news to those of you up by the Peak to Peak but probably an eyeopener for a lot of flatlanders.
http://www.5280.com/2018/01/danger-in-the-forest/
Depressing read, but this is what you get with years of Democrat rule.
If we want to get rid of the homeless camps full of criminals, we have to first get rid of the Democrats in Denver.
More and more I am hearing Denver and the surrounding areas being mentioned in the same sentence as Portland and Seattle. GROSS!
Joe Hall is a good man and a direct family friend.
I don't understand why this is tolerated.
Min security prison + work details (cleaning up messes like this) until a person is clean/sober and can demonstrate enough competence to be self-sustainable.
All of the things this blue state forces on me, being a productive citizen, but this is cool.
Sidenote - this is why I carry while hiking even land our family owns. "For the bears."
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Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
Sad !!!
Jeebus.
I'm open carrying a full size sidearm from now on when I take the family into these national forests for a weekend hike. No more sub compact CCW pieces in slightly slower access carry holsters. And likely an AR in the truck for good measure.
Yeah, it's pretty bad. We had two summer cabins ransacked on my road last winter. One is maybe 300 yards away from my house. The scumbags know they are summer cabins and nobody is around, so they think it's easy pickins. Never before in the 18 years I've been up here has one house been burgled that I know of. And we're pretty deep in the woods, not right off the highway at all.
The Sheriff's Deputy relayed to me and my neighbor that burglaries are through the roof, mostly with summer cabins. He suggested we lock all doors (car and house), which we do anyway, and to set up trail cams to get pics of the bastards.
Pisses me off.
My wife and I stopped camping in the mountains many years ago, before we moved to CO, because of the bums that we would run across. Riding dirt bikes in the desert was good, we were too far out from civilization for the locals to bother us. The mountains were different, too close to population and easy to access and hide in.
It's pathetic. They are breaking many laws and are allowed to do it because of limited police/sheriff/ forest service resources. Soon our forests will be full of these scum and nobody will be able to enjoy the natural resources our mountain area have to offer. Give em a warning and a set time and day to be gone. Move in and move them out. With force of needed. My tolerance for these dipshits is ZERO. Bulldoze over their commune and bus their stinky asses across the CO border.
The volunteer program is a great idea. Generally, LEO will probably never have the resources to patrol these areas sufficiently in proactive mode, and Zero gutted the USFS to the point where I rarely see a ranger. A sanctioned and legal approach is definitely needed, and it needs to be massive.
Right up until "volunteer citizen, legally carrying a firearm" is put into a situation where they need to use it. They will then be "armed vigilante, hunting down hapless, harmless, hopeless homeless". The backlash will be deafening.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedMoreAmmo
I've conversed with some Boulder SO deputies, and the problem seems to be getting worse. They've even gone into some of these transient campsites and found them abandoned (the "campers" venture into Boulder to panhandle quite frequently). A lot of times they don't have time to wait around, but on some occasions they found campfires still smoldering, and have had to use the transients' water supply to put out the fires- and they aren't stingy with the water. This whole thing is seeming to be a growing problem with no viable solutions. I don't dare go camping anywhere along the front range without at least my sidearm on me at all times. Luckily our favorite spot down in Park County doesn't get a lot of homeless... yet. It's enough to discourage me from camping in/around Nederland or any other parts of Western Boulder County.
Your proposed alternative? Neither I, nor the article OP linked suggested that these are armed vigilante groups, but rather the opposite. No different from cleaning up a trashed out shooting area.Quote:
Originally Posted by crays
[dark joke]There's always the 3 S's[/dark joke]Quote:
Originally Posted by crays
I have heard of a couple of transient camps being cleared out down in this area, along with an illegal pot grow and some poaching. There isn't a lot of water in this area, except for the South Platte, so I think that helps. I haven't heard of any issues up Waterton Canyon, which is surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
I haven't been down Rampart Range Road in years (mostly because of the shooting bans), but I see Flight for Life heading in that direction almost daily for the last few summers. No doubt there are a few problems down there, and probably more than one transient camp.
There are more or less permanent encampments along Boulder Creek right in the middle of town where overnight camping is technically illegal (which is the case anywhere in city limits actually). I volunteered for the annual creek cleanup that Rocky Mountain Anglers sponsors this year and when the cops were called about one major camp (complete with sofa's and recliners), they said "no, that portion of the creek is on CU property". When the CU police were called, they couldn't be bothered.
If there's no penalty, why would anyone expect these homeless to obey laws?
I think you're reading your own meaning into my statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedMoreAmmo
(1) I was never suggesting armed raiding parties.
(2) Not apples:apples. This is their perceived "home".
I'm referring to when a group of volunteers on a clean up sweep are harassed/assaulted by a/the "resident/s" of the targeted area, to the point where it results in an armed self-defense scenario. Who is going to be screeching the loudest? Common-sense, productive law-abiding conservatives, or SJW's/the Left/the MSM... And just WHAT do you think they are going to be screeching about?
I know a lot of locals of all flavors would want to be involved in reclaiming their communities. I suppose you could request the vols to go in unarmed, or possibly LE escorted.
I think it would be great if the folks who are creating this situation (liberal D's) would do the bulk of the voluntary reclamation of these areas., along with anyone else that wants to help, but I have a feeling that would not be the case.
Anyway... Not trying to stir the pot, just trying to clarify my original response.
What is truly, truly tragic are the hippies trying to raise children like this. Most are neglected, the ones that aren’t are intentionally taught some horrible lessons.
Reminds me of the related problems of the Rainbow Family gatherings in Colorado...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ado-shrinking/
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...nbow-gathering
http://www.steamboattoday.com/news/r...tional-forest/
Granted that a cleanup group might be required to defend themselves. That situation would have to be dealt with when / if it happens I suppose, by the law. I would think that being confronted by a hostile group would be enough to get the SO involved, rather than a crew having to deal with some incident between private parties out in the woods.Quote:
Originally Posted by crays
I am all in favor of armed defense, and it is a valid point that having to resort to that manner of discouraging these invaders would be all over 9news. Perhaps coordinating these with the local LEO agency and USFS would be the best approach. It seems that is what the Peak 2 Peak folks are doing, with some success.
Nah, the Rainbows have been around for decades and overall fairly harmless. Heck, they even get permits for gatherings, have their own medic teams, and provide portajohns. Generally pretty good at self policing and cleanup, then they move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
What's going on with the homefree in the past few years is far, far worse. This really is a new ugly problem. There have already been several wildfires due to this crowd, now that we're looking at a drought year....
No, no....those fires are all caused by firearms and tannerite, so we have to stop shooting in the forest. The hippies are all about peace, love and the environment, so let them squat. [facepalm]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtneer
The area I hunt was FILLED with squatters this year. They were everywhere. They were camped in and around all of the grounds we hunt. It sucked.
Substantially lower chance of being stuck with a used hypodermic needle at most shooting sites, although the "people" that leave behind all kinds of garbage there disgust me as well. Cleaning up these camps puts the Samaritans at risk, even when the occupants aren't there to harass them. Not to mention the biohazard from just the basic filth that they choose to live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedMoreAmmo
Don’t get me started. To say the problem is on the rise is a vast understatement.
Few weeks ago they had a major "eviction" and clean out at Santa Fe and Mississippi. Park Rangers, police and "volunteers" with piles and shopping carts of blankets, sleeping bags, trash....
These were two different RV's parked within a mile of one another on Soda Creek road above Idaho Springs.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c97e2d3c2c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fafa98a0e7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1f5daf1305.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9471a066b7.jpg
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I'm biting my tongue here as well. It's all been said and, sadly, it won't change. If a few vagrants destroying several homes won't do it, what will it take?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ah Pook
NOT a suggestion, but if a budding young "dexter" wanted to learn his trade, this would be the place. LE has no interest nor resources to even investigate.
Edit: Based on the skull in the story, sounds like has already happened to some extent.
As usual, unless it is Hicks house that gets burned down, or some connected Dem critter's, little will happen on the state level. Grassroots and local enforcement routes are probably the only viable ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by GilpinGuy
Not a political problem but a perception problem. "It's the mountains, we can do what ever we want." Not just a transient problem either.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedMoreAmmo
FS cries poor mouth and the Sheriff's dept says call if ya need anything. Lame response on both counts.
The story in this article makes me sick. I’ve been hiking and camping in Colorado for over 20 years and fortunately have never seen anything like this. (I typically get at least an hour west of metro Denver, though.)
Luckily, the worst thing that happened to me was camping with my family near Redcliff when at night I heard loud music thumping. I got out of my tent to investigate, and saw weird lights in the trees about a quarter to a half mile away. It turns out it was a rave for 4 guys turning 40 that summer. Maybe 30 people. They thought they were so far off the beaten path, and miles away from all campgrounds, they wouldn’t bother anyone. They did turn the music down a bit, and I felt kinda bad for them under the circumstances, but we worked it out. Plus, the next morning the women were skinny dipping in the river...
This is another group of posts in a thread that exemplify why I don't want to be in Colorado anymore.
Yes there are other reasons as well.
Unfortunately it seems to be state wide. Here in Chaffee County and surrounding counties we are getting slammed with dopers, squatters and the rest. It is absolutely disgusting what this state has become. I don't know if its the feds, hickenlooper or who exactly is not letting law enforcement take care of these problems. In many areas around here it is getting out of control. I know several Leo's that are able and willing to take care of the dopers and the other problems but are not allowed to even talk to them not to mention to arrest or investigate them. The population explosion in the state isn't helping either. During the summer around here it is next to impossible to get away for a few hours and not have dozens or more people on every damn road and trail.
Strap all of them to the outside of the trucks filled with water going to California and send them along. All the volunteer helping hand folks can come down and pack them a sack lunch and give them a moving blanket and a tarp, slap on the ass and buh-bye Felicia!
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California now has legal weed and they'd probably like the milder winter climate plus all the extra benefits they could get.
We camp fairly often in the area around Buena Vista in the summer. Try and go every other weekend for 3-4 days. Ride dirt bikes, hike, target shoot safely, gold pan etc.
Last summer we saw a huge increase in vagrant camps, beater rvs off in the woods, trash everywhere. One spot actually had a damn bookcase full of crap set up outside their RV. Said RV had no door, a flat tire, painted windows. There was a scooter in the camp, a rear seat out of some sedan type of car, of course the book case, a bunch of junk, lawn chairs, a few tents set up. Trash everywhere. This particular camp was set up for the entire summer. Calls to the forest service, sheriff, and forest rangers obviously were ignored or they simply didn't approach the site. We called 3 times, all 2 weeks apart. The occupants would leave every day around 9am. Come back around 4am. Car was a complete beater with a trunk that would not close. Was bungee corded. The last 2 weekends we decided to send an "Unvitation" to the occupants. Not going to say what it was, but will say that we did not destroy any property or harm anybody (they were not there). It was the last few weekends we went so I don't know if they stayed around. I sure would have bailed.
Not for $45 for three joints and up to 34% tax they won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by jslo