Trump moves on bump stocks.

Developing. Apparently telling sessions he wants justice dept to draw up regulations.

Trump urges ban on 'bump stocks,' other gun modifiers http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...modifiers.html

And . . . here . . . we . . . go.

I always figured Trump would sell gun owners out on something (or a few things) as part of a grand bargain to get dems on board with something they didn't really like. Apparently, he's just going to hand them some gun control goodies on a silver platter for free.

merge it with this one

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/165185-...ump-stock-ban)

I think this deserves a little more attention than it will get in Legislation and Politics, I think general discussion is a good place for it. The "modifier" part should bother all of us.

I wonder what the pressure on the White House was? If he just hands things over to the dems without a fight, then they will just go after something else on top of this. At least bargain with it (Not that it makes me happy at all).

I support impeachment now.

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I wonder what the pressure on the White House was? If he just hands things over to the dems without a fight, then they will just go after something else on top of this. At least bargain with it (Not that it makes me happy at all).

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That's what I was thinking. As much as I hate the idea of giving in on ANYTHING . . . at least get something for it that the dems will hate but that they can't take the chance of missing out on.

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That's what I was thinking. As much as I hate the idea of giving in on ANYTHING . . . at least get something for it that the dems will hate but that they can't take the chance of missing out on.

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Put up a fight at the very least...

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

No surprise here. I know his personality type well; he holds no real foundation or views. (former registered D, btw). True Narcissist but a phenotype much akin to my ex brother-in-law. Trumps political position could shift an 180 if the other side started worshiping him for it. So the risk here, is if they stop criticism and start laying praise... or if his existing base starts attacking him, he's going to start shifting to center faster than a teenager can get their pants off in the back of a car.

If you don't understand, the only thing that matters is worship... if the worship changes to the other side (somewhat unlikely at this point) so does his views and actions...

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I am surprised because I have watched Libs threaten to murder him and his family. I have watched elite Libs cheer this on. Even Ivanka has been shunned by former elite NYC friends. And don't even talk about the media!

The whole world is against Trump. Except those of us who voted for him and most of us are gun owners.

I am surprised he would even entertain the idea of taking us down a notch unless he thinks the risk isn't worth the reward.

He used the word "machine gun" in his letter several times. Bump stocks do not a machine gun make. Let's hope that language was purposeful.

I learn something new every day. Apparently "bump stocks" turn regular semi automatic rifles into machine guns. It's sad that the generic public (sheeple) will not understand this and only hear the word "machine gun."

I've always harbored a strong dislike for this president, and knew from the debates he was no 2A fan, but it's still disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Shooter45

I learn something new every day. Apparently "bump stocks" turn regular semi automatic rifles into machine guns. It's sad that the generic public (sheeple) will not understand this and only hear the word "machine gun."

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This is the unfortunate part of the "I'm not touching you" style of modern non-NFA type items. The bumpstock is the obvious example (but this category includes the "braces" and things like the shockwave). If the product lets you hold down the trigger and have the rifle continue to fire that's going to be a machinegun to most people, regardless of the actual definition of a machinegun. Besides the obvious shitting on the 2A, we have to be really careful about what other shit gets thrown in with the ban, like how Denver tossed mags over 15rds in with their bumpstock ban.

I'm amazed Chuck and Nancy haven't come out against Trump banning something [Sarcasm2]

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Trump is incapable of these three things:

Love
Hate
True loyalty.

Although he is incapable of actual hate; jealousy and vengeance are more primative, fleeting emotions they do heavily dabble in. So, in a nutshell, unlike you or I (if someone threatened our family) where we'd never let someone on our beach for life; Trump is a boat forever adrift, perpetually looking for whatever harbor celebrates him the most. As long as Trumpettes think he is the shit, he will wear his hat and make his goofy smiles there. But the second the liberals go "THANK YOU TRUMP" while the Trumpettes scorn him....
Well, then his boat parks in that other harbor. They don't have the emotional processing to really hold a (true) grudge. If his basic need is met (worship) nothing else matters. They are also very charismatic and cycle through friends like underwear. Everything is generally black and white, they either think someone is the SHIT or they are a piece of SHIT, there is little in between. (And nobody stays in either camp forever....)

If you know someone like this in your life, they will never *actually* have your back, no matter what they say. And you are always at risk of them spontaneously turning on you, and not with causation.

I'd have never accepted a job in the Trump white house for this reason..
Unstable and high propensity to do far more harm to your resume than good.

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He isn't going to convert Libs (he has no issues) and his boat is sunk if he betrays gun owners. I have never seen so much hatred at one man in my life as I've seen with Libs and Trump. To call it "two minutes of hate" is understating it.

Look at how fragile the 2016 victory was. Look at how Dims have been winning local races/issues. If he breaks his base, and they don't come out for him in 2020, he is done.

I imagine being a one-termer would bruise the ego a bit. It's like being fired because the incumbent typically has the advantage.

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He isn't going to convert Libs (he has no issues) and his boat is sunk if he betrays gun owners. I have never seen so much hatred at one man in my life as I've seen with Libs and Trump. To call it "two minutes of hate" is understating it.

Look at how fragile the 2016 victory was. Look at how Dims have been winning local races/issues. If he breaks his base, and they don't come out for him in 2020, WE are done.

I imagine being a one-termer would bruise the ego a bit. It's like being fired because the incumbent typically has the advantage.

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FIFY

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Originally Posted by Skip

I am surprised because I have watched Libs threaten to murder him and his family. I have watched elite Libs cheer this on. Even Ivanka has been shunned by former elite NYC friends. And don't even talk about the media!

The whole world is against Trump. Except those of us who voted for him and most of us are gun owners.

I am surprised he would even entertain the idea of taking us down a notch unless he thinks the risk isn't worth the reward.

He used the word "machine gun" in his letter several times. Bump stocks do not a machine gun make. Let's hope that language was purposeful.

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Originally Posted by Shooter45

I learn something new every day. Apparently "bump stocks" turn regular semi automatic rifles into machine guns. It's sad that the generic public (sheeple) will not understand this and only hear the word "machine gun."

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Thought I would add this post of mine from another thread:
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/167196-Boulder-AR-15-Ban

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Originally Posted by Originally Posted by from thedenverchannel article linked in Boulder AR-15 Ban thread

Even at the Federal level, the tide may be turning. When asked about an assault weapons ban today, the White House Press Secretary said, "We haven't closed the door on any front." Also Tuesday, President Trump pushed for a federal ban on bump stocks.

"Just a few moments ago, I signed a memorandum directing the Attorney General to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," said Trump.

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Is this a crafty Trump statement, or is this a caving? Because "devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns" are already regulated.

Hopefully, it's the former, and he's playing the dims for fools, and not a harbinger of policy shifts to come.

banning bump stocks is completely stupid. One maniac "allegedly" uses one in Vegas (I have my doubts as to it actually being a bump stock that was used), and everyone loses their freaking minds.

The people that own them are responsible, law-abiding gun owners that just want to go to the range, and have a little fun with accelerated rate of fire.

Full auto is FUN. It's an excitement factor. And it's also expensive on ammo.

Sick of this ban this, ban that crap. [emoji1589] off and leave our gun rights alone. [emoji35]


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None of which will prevent a determined person, hell-bent on destruction of life.

Idiot.

I say if they want to raise the age to purchase a long gun to 21, then they should also raise the "adult" age of everything else to 21.

VOTING, unrestricted driver's license (or whatever they call a "regular", non-minor DL), cigarettes, alchohol (if it's not already), weed (where applicable), leases, contracts, etc. ... Hit them where it hurts... In their feels.

Practical? Not at all. Likely? Never, but maybe the proposal of it might open up the eyes of enough of them to make them think just a little bit.

How would the country respond to military at age 21? That's an "adult" thing as well.

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How would the country respond to military at age 21? That's an "adult" thing as well.

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And makes about as much sense as the rest of my list, but doesnt fit. Just how many of those sjw, snowflake teens do you think are planning on joing the military?

My list was not meant to be all-inclusive, but to throw out a few "perceived rights" and/or priveleges that the target audience would take notice of.

Right, but part of making a point is really making a point. All the people that WANT to go into the military would throw a fit, as well as the military, which in my eyes, would be an effective way to prevent such a silly change.

My wife was saying the same things about the military last night. Then we decided that you can join the military at 18 but then you're allowed to do all those other age restricted things too. Join up and now you can buy booze, guns, rent a car .... what ever.

Please feel free to compile a list of every other adult thing I may have missed, so the point can be as sharp as possible.

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I was really wondering how the nation would react to military service at 21 being on the table, than trying to bust your balls for your list of adulting. I guess since neither one is likely to happen, it doesn't really matter. But no sex until 21, no rated R movies, and Federally controlled child friendly internet access would get some attention. That's all just straight up fantasy land though. I'd say no work until 21 either, just to get parents attention of what it really means to treat people like kids until they are 21.

Military age change would make sense with this proposal, since the military will likely be handing these under-21 "children" an actual assault rifle, rather than just a scary looking ar-15.

The dems through the media trick the RNC into doing their dirty work for them. Every time the Dems have passed gun control they lose seats and power in government. So the Dems can get what they want and watch the Republicans lose their seats in the next election.

I read that bump stocks are selling like crazy and people are getting $1k for them. Wish I would have bought one to sell at a time like this. I would have made some good money. I have no need for one, but the profit potential would have been a good investment. Oh well.

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I read that bump stocks are selling like crazy and people are getting $1k for them. Wish I would have bought one to sell at a time like this. I would have made some good money. I have no need for one, but the profit potential would have been a good investment. Oh well.

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I'm holding out for the price to go higher.

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I'm holding out for the price to go higher.

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When the triggers hit $1500 i'm selling. Some modest offers, but i think they're hoping to buy now and reap $$ later.

Who needs a Shockwave? It makes you shoot faster. Promise.

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I say if they want to raise the age to purchase a long gun to 21, then they should also raise the "adult" age of everything else to 21.

VOTING, unrestricted driver's license (or whatever they call a "regular", non-minor DL), cigarettes, alchohol (if it's not already), weed (where applicable), leases, contracts, etc. ... Hit them where it hurts... In their feels.

Practical? Not at all. Likely? Never, but maybe the proposal of it might open up the eyes of enough of them to make them think just a little bit.

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I’m more in favor of restructuring what constitutes citizenship.Say you turn 16-18, you take a citizenship test, if you pass and have no criminal convictions, speak, and read English, presto! congrats your a citizen now!
You can vote, buy a gun, own a business, join the Military, enter public office, receive a lifetime passport, and everyone else GTFO, unless a citizen wants to vouch for you as well as feed, shelter, clothe, and employ you out of their own pocket. Anyone can retest at anytime up to 3 attempts in their life. Study, study, study!
Schools privatized, Mom and Dad won’t pay? Get a job loser!
Eliminate minimum wage laws.
Remove warning labels and speed limits.
When you buy a vehicle you pay a one time tax that is your contribution to the roads and upkeep thereof, no licensing requirements for anything. Period.
. Gov is restricted to Road upkeep, National Defense, Disaster recovery, Border and Shore Security, Investigations, and Law Enforcement.
Eliminate all taxes except certain sales taxes,(see above).
Untreatable diagnosed Sociopaths and convicted criminals are never allowed to become citizens, and are exiled, executed, or both. (Think penal labor colonies in Alaska or Pacific territories.)


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If you haven’t already stop what your doing, and call your Representatives and Senators and tell them to vocally oppose any and all further infringements of the Second Amendment at the Local, State, and National levels.

*Rep. Ken Buck (R) at
(970) 702-2136

*Sen. Michael Bennet (D) at
(303) 455-7600

*Sen. Cory Gardner (R) at
(303) 391-5777

Call the Republican National Committee at
(202) 863-8500

Tell them enough is enough, we’re done “having the conversation” about “common sense gun control” and shall not be infringed means something last time you checked.


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ATF is basically telling Trump that they can't ban them, and that it will have to be done through legislation.

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Originally Posted by Grant H.

ATF is basically telling Trump that they can't ban them, and that it will have to be done through legislation.

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Mission accomplished.

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Mission accomplished.

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Not till it's in writing. I don't believe anything I see or hear till the ink's dry. Been around the block a few times with weapon restrictions & bans.