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Well trump is falling for the same tactics that always work against the republicans and the RNC.
Every time the Dems pass gun control they lose seats and power in government. It's easier to trick the Republicans to do the dirty work for them since they get what they want AND they'll end up with more seats in government to boot. What do they have to lose?
I think folks are putting too much into what the MSM is pushing.
The RepublicQuote:
Originally Posted by bnolsen
They have to live with the legacy of what they have done just like us. Sometimes I really wonder what they hell they are thinking. If political, racial, and/or socio-economic violence is ever realized on a large scale in this country their families are first on the list.
One. It's starting to look like Obama's term is going to be better for guns and rights. Look at all the progress we've made under his watch. Seriously.
Two. The media, the leaders, and the people are all in a very short vision mindset. The Russians, the Muslims, the Asians, and likely others are very long term vision. They understand delayed gratification. Even if it might take multiple generations. Trump might want to get reelected. Not likely that he does. His ego may compel him, but I don't think he's having as much fun as he thought.
Three. I think if the country stays the course we will get a much worse version of Hillary. Hope I'm wrong.
I don't what to think about anything anymore.
I'm kinda lost too. I'm going to sit back and see how it plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Not so much lost for me. I think I'm just getting numb to it. From all sides. I f'ing hate the left but I'm getting tired of my side (myself included) constantly having to defend the same shit over and over. It's very tiring.
Let's wait to see what actually happens. It's just talk now. Trump seems to like to mention possible solutions to show understanding.
Did anyone really expect him to be a 2A supporter? Even during the election he was happy to go against gun owners by publicly supporting the idea that people be put on a terrorist/no-fly list and stripped of their 2A rights without due process. I'm not as conservative as most of the people on this forum, but even I could see that the president is not a conservative and will not stand up for gun rights (though I'm sure had the democrats won the presidency and done a little better in the house and senate we would have had some reaaaally bad shit by now).
We had a bunch of system issues at work so I had almost a full day of internet browsing, and I'm getting sick of a lot of fellow gun owners just believing that this, like every other bit of nonsense, scandal, and infighting, is just some grand strategy that only Trump can see. Trump is NOT a supporter of the 2A in any greater way than paying lip service to get elected.
You guys sound like a bunch of teenage girls. Sit back and R E L A X.
He is putting up a show here listening to what they want. He has to do something right now, if not he is going to look like a complete piece of crap that is unwilling to listen. This is how he extends the olive branch and gets people willing to negotiate. Just like the DACA deal he is sounding like he is giving a little in order to get what he wants. You want DACA people to stay, ok they can if we get the wall built and then they get 10 years to prove themselves citizens and everyone is happy. Same thing here, you want bump stocks, ok well we will attach the HPA to it and national reciprocity along with teachers being allowed to conceal carry.
He is already saying that he is giving it to congress, Hillary wold have been writing EOs last Thrusday.
Even if he were doing what you say, it is still inexcusable. He is willing to negotiate away part of your rights in exchange for a few slices of your rights. No compromise, not one more inch. There is no Gun Community, only individuals that own firearms, some of those individuals want more freedom, some less, pick a side, or step aside.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
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I agree with you entirely MOLON LABE, but congress has done this for centuries. We should never give an inch into losses of freedom but it has happened, continues to happen, and will after us. The Constitution is merely "thoughts and ideas" to our politicians. No longer the law of the land.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
Tell me how Trump has the power to negotiate away your rights? If legislation lands on his desk, he can either sign it...or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
Perhaps you need some more memes and strongly worded T-shirt slogans to help the point sink in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Most likely i see no net change. He is negotiating from a position of power. Would you trade bump stocks for suppressors?Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
That's not what's on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
Being able to buy long guns today. Say July 1st. It's TFB. Oh by the way, make sure you've checked your orders before you ship out.
There's no mention of suppressors even in play here. But if I follow that line of thinking, why not give up semi autos, too. Really now, why waste the potential of that suppressor on a semi. When you could appreciate it on a bolt action.
When the President comes out and publicly orders the DOJ to look into classifying semi autos, magazine fed firearms, match triggers, Gatling guns, gat cranks, bump stocks, and Echo triggers as Machine Guns, and we have a 84 year history of a bureaucracy,(ATF), that can and does ban and make illegal anything they want to at the stroke of a pen I would call that more power doing more harm than less power doing less harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
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No. No more than I would trade my right to free speech in exchange for my right to a fair and speedy trial. This isn’t a bump stocks versus everything else fight, none of the Fudds have figured this out yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
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Where will Trump find the time? Some folks are in angst about him possibly putting a tariff on rubber bands.
Exactly. The FUDDs haven't figured anything out yet. FUDDs are worse than the rabid anti-gunners.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
I know how the political system works and it's fucked up. We keep giving up just a little here and little there, pretty soon we're not gonna have anything left. It's long past time to stop giving and start taking back. I just wish I knew what that looked like.
anyone who is surprised by Trump caving has not been paying attention. He was a liberal East Coast democrat for years, donated to slick Willy's campaign, hobnobbed with the liberal elite. When he decided to make a run for the White House, suddenly he's a true blue, america first, God fearing conservative. The fact that he had a NYC carry permit doesn't speak to his support for gun rights, it speaks volumes about his political connections. His throwing gun owners under the bus is about as surprising as the sun rising in the East.
If you haven’t already stop what your doing, and call your Representatives and Senators and tell them to vocally oppose any and all further infringements of the Second Amendment at the Local, State, and National levels.
*Rep. Ken Buck (R) at
(970) 702-2136
*Sen. Michael Bennet (D) at
(303) 455-7600
*Sen. Cory Gardner (R) at
(303) 391-5777
Call the Republican National Committee at
(202) 863-8500
Tell them enough is enough, we’re done “having the conversation” about “common sense gun control” and shall not be infringed means something last time you checked.
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I actually think Trump is doing well. You know/knew there was going to be pressure to "do something" immediately after an incident like Parkland. Trump isn't giving up much ground, just on bump stocks and putting some more teeth into background checks, and he's really only calling for "talking" about them right now. He has to look like he's trying to be accommodating even as he's closing the doors on much of what the gun grabbers want to do and while he's raising the uncomfortable issues that they are ignoring like how the an armed teacher (or the on-site deputy) could have stopped the rampage much quicker or how SO many flags were already raised about Cruz.
Good on him for playing a delaying game just like the Dems have done to the non-Socialists for years.
If you can't find the time to call your Representatives of Senators as MOLON LABE made it easy, send them an email. This literally takes seconds to send a pre written letter.
https://nagr.org/2018/893_NoGunControl-p.aspx?pid=10b
Third parties are looking better day after day.
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Originally Posted by UrbanWolf
Are you shitting me?!! What part of rate increasing devices don’t you understand? When the Democrats were doing and saying only 50% of what they’re doing and saying now immediately after the Sandy Hook Massacre, Gun Owners went into a frenzy, toting long guns at capital buildings, writing, calling, and emailing their representatives and Congress critters, Republicans didn’t go turn coat on us Constitutionalists, there was NO AMMO on the shelves ANYWHERE. But because Trump is in office and is only giving in “ just on bump stocks” people are cool with it. The NRA is backing anti gun legislation and we are all supposed to just sit around on our hands while liberty is chipped away, just because Donald Trump is the President. Remember that Reagan banned Machine Guns in 86’, and Bush Sr was the one that created gun free zones in 89’ just because there is an (R) at the end of their name on TV doesn’t mean they care about RKBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
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They did it arbitrarily with the factory High Standard Wallet gun Holster, for the HS Derringer.. I found that out the hard way.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
This is why Machine Guns, SBR’s, SBS’, AOW’s, DD’s, Mail order surplus rifles, shotguns, and handguns, Chinese firearm imports, SVD’s, Russian 5.45x39 7N6 ammo, Russian AK’s, and for a time Pistol braces were either flat out illegal, or highly regulated. Because people said to themselves “Well it don’t effect me none, I don’t use _______XYZ item, so as long as it doesn’t effect me, it’s cool!”
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Infringed is infringed - no matter what item
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Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
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I know it’s hard for some to comprehend but their is a comprehensive all out, bare knuckled, no rules assault being carried out NOW on YOUR 2A and the rights recognized therein. Also believe it or not but YouTube channels like MAC, Hank Strange, MrGunsandgear, Reid Henrichs, and others HAVE more pull and sway over the outcome on this fight than the NRA.
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Reading about this on Twitter today too. Google owns YouTube and is not just censoring pro gun channels/people but pulling search results. They are targeting not just gun owners but anyone questioning these mass murder shootings (e.g. "crisis actors").Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
I think the answer here is to nationalize these search engines and socials for the greater good. They are no longer content providers but free speech facilitators who have a monopoly on information. If they want to take a position in the marketplace of ideas, that's fine. But using their personal beliefs to censor means they are shutting down the marketplace against common interests
An analogy... Imagine three companies in 1776 owning all the printing presses and refusing to sell one to Franklin. If a person doesn't have a vehicle for free speech, he has no free speech.
(I'm half way kidding, relax. I do think it should be threatened... Use their own rules against them.)
Unfortunately, Youtube/Twitter/FB/Instagram etc, are private companies that provide a service and can therefore restrict what information is shared on their service. While they are large and do, in effect, maintain a monopoly on information on the internet, there are alternatives to Google/Youtube/etc (not so much FB, if you want to avoid corporate data farming and control), so anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws don't apply currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
To change this, they would have to be classified as a public service, and would then be required to allow all messages, but would restrict them in other ways (FCC decent language and conduct rules).
This kind of move may be coming, but will bring a whole new set of problems with it. While I agree that there is an "all out, no holds barred" war against the second amendment, and the voices on YT are an important part of the puzzle, they are, in fact, using a companies service and being paid in the process...
The reality of "he who pays the piper, picks the tune" is absolutely true.
Maybe this was part of the push to get rid of Net neutrality.
Guess I should have voted for Hillary then.
Use the Bell model. Zuckerberg has too much money anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grant H.
Forward!
(I don't believe this should be done, but in the world Libs are creating it would only be consistent)