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Looks like this stupid ass shit is going through as planned. Doesn't anyone remember Stapleton?

https://www.codot.gov/projects/i70east

https://www.codot.gov/projects/i70ea...03-25-17_2.png

Relax. It's for the children....

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Not only it is abundantly retarded, it will be underbuilt the moment it is completed.

In that location, that park will be trashed in a year. Keep paying your taxes people.

This is a waste of money; period!

No wonder there's no taxpayer/.gov feepayer money left to widen I-25 from Monument to Castle Rock - just more irresponsible use of the money they take from us whilst telling us it just isn't enough and they need more.

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Originally Posted by crays

Relax. It's for the children....

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Good thing.... they will probably be paying for it. [emoji16]

And, it directly affects my daily commute. As soon it it begins to constrict traffic, (if not sooner), I will be selling out, quitting my job,and relocating.

I would like to think they'll miss my tax base, but I'm not that naive.

Unfortunately, Denver has effectively killed Colorado.

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Originally Posted by Otterbatcat

Not only it is abundantly retarded, it will be underbuilt the moment it is completed.

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And likely collapse and kill people.

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Originally Posted by crays

And, it directly affects my daily commute. As soon it it begins to constrict traffic, (if not sooner), I will be selling out, quitting my job,and relocating.

I would like to think they'll miss my tax base, but I'm not that naive.

Unfortunately, Denver has effectively killed Colorado.

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It's gonna hurt me as well, Crays. I don't know how long I'll be able to deal with it when under full swing.... might just be checking out as well. I wanted to stay here and keep working at my job until I was ready to move to AZ....that crap might force my hand much sooner that I had anticipated.

I honestly think youve got a couple years.

CDOT is eve more non-functional since they lost BP. [emoji41]

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Well, we had "TRex"
This will be "Clusterfuckasaurous" .

I remember when they would have multi car wrecks at the Stapleton tunnels. Every time it was freezing out and yet the pavement was warm enough from the sun to melt snow the street was always frozen and icy inside the tunnels. It seems that tunnels don’t see much sunshine. Cars entering the tunnels always carry melt water inside the tunnels and it froze on the road. I’m sure they will have to heat the road surface in this new tunnel. But since teaching real history isn't a thing anymore who knows?

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Originally Posted by theGinsue

This is a waste of money; period!

No wonder there's no taxpayer/.gov feepayer money left to widen I-25 from Monument to Castle Rock - just more irresponsible use of the money they take from us whilst telling us it just isn't enough and they need more.

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Yup.

The punch line: They know this will cause subsidized gentrification and that's the objective. Denver is telling working class people to FOAD.

Meanwhile there is a ton of gentrification happening all on its own. Took a drive up on Broadway between downtown and I-70 recently and the change is huge. Places where it wasn't safe to walk a few years ago are now hipster central. Soon Globeville will be no more too (at least not like it was).

I'm not sure all this change is necessarily bad but when it's subsidized it's being forced on people.

I also can’t believe they would even consider starting this cluster F before widening 270 between Vasquez and I25. They are going to really need some alternate routes around this mess.

Does CDOT have their computers online yet?

I'm a big fan of some gentrification. I would love to pay more in taxes.

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Originally Posted by Big E3

I remember when they would have multi car wrecks at the Stapleton tunnels. Every time it was freezing out and yet the pavement was warm enough from the sun to melt snow the street was always frozen and icy inside the tunnels. It seems that tunnels don’t see much sunshine. Cars entering the tunnels always carry melt water inside the tunnels and it froze on the road. I’m sure they will have to heat the road surface in this new tunnel. But since teaching real history isn't a thing anymore who knows?

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On snowshift I used to have to go through the airport tunnels in a 3 1/2 ton dump truck.
In reverse.
With a rack on the cabshield.
With the bed raised.

And knock the fucking icicles off of the roof of the tunnel.

That was a pain in the ass for 500 feet let alone what? 3.5 miles!
LOL

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Originally Posted by Irving

Does CDOT have their computers online yet?

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LOL

How many bitcoin is this going to cost?

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Well, we had "TRex"
This will be "Clusterfuckasaurous" .

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Originally Posted by crays

I honestly think youve got a couple years.

CDOT is eve more non-functional since they lost BP. [emoji41]

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If that's the case, then I'll be alright I suppose. I'll be long gone before the real shit hits the fan then.

T Rex was a disaster and when it was finished, it wasn't enough of a fix to make anything better for the time they were done with it.

These dumbasses need to build for the future, not for current growth. Build it HUGE now and it will serve us well for years into the future. Don't waste time and money and aggravation to build an 8 lane highway. Build it 12 lanes and fix shit for a while to come.

My two cents anyways.

Problem is all the people who own all the land already. Also, do we want to be able to support enough traffic for a 12 lane? It could be argued either way I'm sure. Build it and they'll come, or they're coming anyway so might as well build it.

I think getting over a certain size does bring it's own problems. Really I think what is killer for Denver metro, is how few major thoroughfares there are. You have mostly typical suburban 2 lane each way roads or less. On the west side you at least have 6th ave/70/76, but other than that, It's i25 or bust. (or massive detour around the area on e470)

Just compared to a few places, seems silly there are not at least one other 6 lane artery going north thru south.

I've heard that complaint from other out of staters.

And about $5m is going to homeowners along there. Home upgrades on taxpayer dime.

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Originally Posted by Otterbatcat

T Rex was a disaster and when it was finished, it wasn't enough of a fix to make anything better for the time they were done with it.

These dumbasses need to build for the future, not for current growth. Build it HUGE now and it will serve us well for years into the future. Don't waste time and money and aggravation to build an 8 lane highway. Build it 12 lanes and fix shit for a while to come.

My two cents anyways.

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But then you can't make more $$$ later on the taxpayers backs!

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Originally Posted by WETWRKS

And about $5m is going to homeowners along there. Home upgrades on taxpayer dime.

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A drop in the bucket when compared to the total cost of the project.

Are they going to pass up an opportunity to collect tolls on the proposed highway?

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Originally Posted by crays

And, it directly affects my daily commute. As soon it it begins to constrict traffic, (if not sooner), I will be selling out, quitting my job,and relocating.

I would like to think they'll miss my tax base, but I'm not that naive.

Unfortunately, Denver has effectively killed Colorado.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLAuzVb-C_o

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Originally Posted by Gman

Are they going to pass up an opportunity to collect tolls on the proposed highway?

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Of course not. In that rendering, they have nicely separated express lanes.

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A drop in the bucket when compared to the total cost of the project.

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There is zero requirement for them to do that and it is our money just being given away.

If it’s impossible to drive anywhere, more people will take the light rail, that way the other horrible investment won’t loook so bad. Duh.

Traffic sucks on I-70 most of the day. It really sucks going westbound in the morning and eastbound in the afternoon. The elevated portion of I-70 is too narrow and can't be readily expanded. So what is YOUR solution to this problem? Putting in 8 lanes each way at ground level? The land acquisition costs would be prohibitive and there would be even greater negative impacts on the working class neighborhoods N of I-70.

One alternative would simply be to add another six lanes on top of the existing elevated I-70 with the top deck going east and the bottom deck going west, provided that the existing supports could withstand the extra loads.

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Traffic sucks on I-70 most of the day. It really sucks going westbound in the morning and eastbound in the afternoon. The elevated portion of I-70 is too narrow and can't be readily expanded. So what is YOUR solution to this problem? Putting in 8 lanes each way at ground level? The land acquisition costs would be prohibitive and there would be even greater negative impacts on the working class neighborhoods N of I-70.

One alternative would simply be to add another six lanes on top of the existing elevated I-70 with the top deck going east and the bottom deck

going west, provided that the existing supports could withstand the extra loads.

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Not put it underground with a park on top.

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Originally Posted by Big E3

I also can’t believe they would even consider starting this cluster F before widening 270 between Vasquez and I25. They are going to really need some alternate routes around this mess.

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Yup- The central area of I-270 is a joke, with the 60's vintage Vasquez interchange being catalyst for miles of back-ups in the morning and evening.

What ever happened to this plan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNixDlRoMvA

Colorado's own Big Dig. Coming soon to a commute near you.

Seattle is in the middle of something similar. The Alaskan Way viaduct replacement. They are building a 2 mile tunnel directly under downtown. The tunneling machine was digging from July 2013 until April 2017. The roadway is going in now I think. The "improvement" removes the existing 6 elevated lanes and replaces them with 4 underground.

You guys are looking at this all wrong.

Look at it like the light rail.

It's not supposed to improve you common peon's lives, make your commute easier or actually you know, move commerce via trucks.

it's designed to enrich those who benefit from all the graft and corruption.

I cannot wait to get the heck out of this state. (native)

What is it like to live somewhere that is already considered "ruined?" Do people in New York City or Los Angeles constantly bitch about changes to their city?

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What is it like to live somewhere that is already considered "ruined?" Do people in New York City or Los Angeles constantly bitch about changes to their city?

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I think that would depend on the "people". People that are self-reliant, pro 2A, and don't like cities probably don't live in New York City. NYC has a demographic since it hasn't changed much for a while and is 'pre-broken'. Now you take a western state that was widely rural and had people that wanted to keep it that way that are now suddenly in a situation they weren't looking for...

Just not the same.