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Anyone have personal experience with this make and model?
Reviews online were mixed. Some had good experiences and no jamming, others reported repeated jamming issues.
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Extra mags can be expensive, if you get the mossberg AR mock ups. If using standard Mossberg magazines, they can be a pain to manipulate.
Personally, I'd go with S&W (read up on current issues with them) or a dedicated 22LR AR upper.
The Colt branded Walther M4 Clones are ok, but not as accessory friendly a S&W, and again, expensive mags. They do have an A2 clone, though.
If you go Mossberg, I ma know someone selling a used one.
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Is this the one where it doesn't even have AR internals and they just crammed their other semi .22 parts into an AR veneer? Or was that an earlier model?
I read that the S&W M&P's 15-22's were banned from Appleseed due to a jamming issue that caused it to fire repeatedly.Quote:
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Plus another $150 on top of $272 is pretty expensive for a .22. not sure I want to drop that much money later this summer.
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There were apparently several issues with the 15-22 at appleseed events. I have 2 and have had no issues after a few thousand rounds.
Without info on what might have been done to those specific rifles, it seems a bit reactionary to not get one of the best AR-style 22 rifles on the market.
A quick google of "10/22 firing out of battery" reveals plenty of results.
So does "mossberg ar-22 problems"
Here's info on the official appleseed site from a big wig w/ them:
https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index....8323#msg348323
And here's someone with a little bit of sense: https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index....8388#msg348388
More AOC legal/protection view: https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index....8396#msg348396
Here's username DJNINER (whomever that is) with some good background info on the issue at large: https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/s-...there.1635252/
I have a 15-22 and with one of the mags that I have it had issues. It's also picky about some ammo. Most semi auto .22 rifles that I've had are kinda hit or miss though. The only one that's been 100% reliable for me is the MP5 replica that Walther put out. I'm pretty sure if you googled "issue with __________" you'll find results. There probably isn't a single make and model out there that hasn't jammed up on someone at some point. Also that "camo" pattern is giving me a seizure.
Sig 522 = good to go
You already have a 22 cal AR. Go get a Marlin 60 or 795 for 22lr and spend the left over $100 on ammo.
Never had any issues with my SW 15-22.
Yup, it's a mossberg 702 dressed up scary. I've got a 702. It's been decent (for the price, $100 at a pawn shop), but it took some tinkering, and the mags are very cheaply made.Quote:
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For what it's worth, in the order of my original response:
My cousins daughter has the above referenced Mossy, and that is what I am basing my magazine manipulation statements on. Also, as Irving asked, it really is just a plinkster/702 dressed up as an AR.
I do not recall any other complaints from them, other than the magazine woes.
I do not recall anyone I personally know that has had a troublesome S&W 15-22, and was suggesting the OP research current issues based on the exact Appleseed related info posted here. I do own one, but have not had it out shooting yet, so I do not have first hand info.
I do not, and have not had, a dedicated upper or a conversion kit. Tons of info out there, and with some research, I have no doubt that a good reliable unit can be found. Price could be a hinderance going this route.
I do have the Colt/Walther M16A2 clone. As I mentioned, the magazines were fairly pricey when I bought it and when I was stocking up, pre-legislation. I have not really been following current pricing, but I do think they have come down at least a little bit. It was a little finicky at first, but it smoothed out some after some breaking in. It still runs better with some ammo over others. Fun to shoot, and it does have an adjustable spring for tuning the bolt to the type of ammo you run. I dont know if the M4 or other variants they make have this feature, but I'm sure they do.
I will add, after seeing OP's reference to price, my suggestion would be along with Lobo's suggestion, or even a 10/22. Save money, get a fun and reliable rifle, and use the saving to stock up on cheap and plentiful (for now) ammo reserves.
Not to get too far off topic, but was the barrel/receiver mating one of your issue? I didn't mention it above, but I bought a Plinkster on the cheap, and couldn't figure out why it wouldn't hold zero. Found the pinned barrel to be loose/wallowed out at the receiver. Fun to shoot, and never had reliablity issues, but dang thing had NO accuracy.Quote:
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I dig the pink and purple. what can I say? I'm a chick lol.Quote:
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I have an AR-15 in 5.56/.223Quote:
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thanks for the info.Quote:
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The sig uses Black Dog Machine mags. Which are real good for the majority if not all the sig 522's and Ceiner style 22 conversions. Now who has a few boxes of those sitting in storage.......................Quote:
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blocked to 15 rds of course.
not a fan of that rear stock. 🤢Quote:
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The issues with the 15-22 have been resolved in the ones with the MLOK handguard. I love mine, it's perfect to train beginners on before they used the .223 version I have also with with an MLOK handguard.
Do those issues happen to be things that can be fixed if you have an older version? Mine is the "performance center" model too, don't know if that makes a difference. At worst mine tends to FTF once in a while and I really think it's due to one of the mags. I really should start marking the mag that causes this. Also what issues were fixed btw?
what brand of ammo and grain are you feeding it?Quote:
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what brand of ammo are you feeding it?
Aguila SuperExtra 22 Long Rifle Ammo 40 Grain High Velocity
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/agui...28-p-3436.aspx
where can I find that in bulk?Quote:
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Did you click the link he provided? If so, click on the SELECT drop down and you will have an option for 5000rds (case) for $229.99 shipped.
I did but missed the drop down the first time. Thank you.Quote:
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You're welcome.Quote:
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Forest for the trees, and all that...
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Others already answered, but I would suggest poking around other sites; I simply linked that as it was one of the first google results. I've seen it as low as 199 w/ free shipping before.Quote:
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I get emails every day from various online retailers. Would you like me to keep an eye out and PM you if I see a better deal?
ETA: 229 shipped ain't bad. I only saw the 199/shipped once.
sure. thanks!Quote:
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This site can be helpful when shopping for ammo-
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr/Aguila-rimfire-40grains-
or their home page - https://ammoseek.com/
I'm with Kid & Kazoo on this one. Sig 522. Eats everything and uses those Black Dog mags. At least in my experiences it is more reliable than the S&W and the 10/22. No failures of any type. Even when using the bulk ammo. Never fired the Mossberg.
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I see a suppressor, a trigger and a sig sauer romeo 5 red dot scope coming this summer. [emoji16]
this looks pretty snazzy with that suppressor on it.
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