Beyond help in Golden

I registered with you fellows after reading BigTexasOne and his problems with MJ Tulo Gunmakers back in April. I was having problems getting a gun returned after Mr. Tulowitski restocked my LC Smith shotgun.. I delivered the gun to his shop in Lakewood in July of 2016 and was promised it would be done by November 2016. Work and family got in the way and I finally called him in Aug.2017 to see if I could get the gun for a hunt in South Dakota. No problem as he was getting readt to put the finish on it. Well, we missed September but he promised to have it done for Colorado pheasant season opening.
That's when he had to go to Atanta for his daughter. In the meantime, I found another ph. number for him and contacted him in January 2018. Then we started to set pick up dates. 15 dates, 15 excuses for why he couldn't make it. Haven't heard from him since Mar.30.
I then found this site and BigTexasOnes same situation. The following day, I called Lakewood PD and reported my gun stolen by Mr. Tulowitzki. They have assigned a case number and have a detective working on the case. There are two more people that I know of that are in the same boat. I haven't heard back from the PD.
Thought I'd post just to let everyone know that there is a still a problem out there.

Sucks to hear. Leslie actually got his Browning back, after I and a couple of other members did some leg work. A call to the ATF might be a good idea in your case as well.

Now that you saw the end result of the other thread looks like you skipped all the other work and jumped to the important part of getting the authorities involved.

I had called the ATF Denver office before I called the police. The agent said to get a police case number and if I hadn't heard anything back to give him a call back in a couple months. At this point, I doubt if I ever see my shotgun again, but Mr. Tulowitzki needs to have some federal heat applied to him.

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Originally Posted by Rigster

I had called the ATF Denver office before I called the police. The agent said to get a police case number and if I hadn't heard anything back to give him a call back in a couple months. At this point, I doubt if I ever see my shotgun again, but Mr. Tulowitzki needs to have some federal heat applied to him.

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Even if they can't help you directly, I'm sure enough complaints will get a review of his FFL and possibly lead to revocation. This might save others the headaches you are going through. I'd suggest you keep up with it for those reasons.

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Originally Posted by J

Even if they can't help you directly, I'm sure enough complaints will get a review of his FFL and possibly lead to revocation. This might save others the headaches you are going through. I'd suggest you keep up with it for those reasons.

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I'm guessing he's already waist deep in sh!t because he didn't file the change of address with ATFE...

I’d rather be dealing with 3 psychotic ex girlfriends than get in that kind of shit with the atf

I'm sorry you are going through that. Having worked in various shops in various states and places as a gunsmith I hate hearing about these situations. This the stuff that destroys customer trust. I've moved to places and looked for gunsmithing jobs and heard about similar situations with local shops and avoided all contact or involvement with them. I cannot fathom how a shop(or usually a shop owner) could be this negligent and/or straight-up criminal and dishonest. Even if there are extenuating circumstances it is unacceptable. When you deal in something as controlled as firearms you don't have the luxury of life getting in the way. Like MrAK said, ATF ain't no one to jack with. Hopefully it will result in an FFL revocation, raid and seizure of firearm assets and your shotgun will be returned. You never know, I've known people who've received guns from local law enforcement years after stuff goes missing. The process is certainly surprisingly slower than you would expect from the BATFE.

Your not a lone, a few years back it took the ATF to recover my Colt model 70 1911.
The guy had it 2 years for what was suppose to be a 3 week swapping out the sights repair. ATF told me he had guns in there 8 plus years from not returning repairs.

MJ Tulo Guntakers didn't learn the lesson the first time? WTF is wrong with people!

He needs to just get out of the biz.

Well, I finaly got my gun back from that dick. After the ATF and the Lakewood PD tracked him down in Great Plains, Texas, he promised to return the firearms he still had. I got mine yesterday. It was completely disassembled and in pieces. The frame looks like it had been put in a vise and bent until it cracked, he polished the color case hardening from the side plates and completely disasembled the trigger group and actions. The detective told me that sense he returned the gun, it was now probably a civil matter.
I'm going to call the trade school that he is now employed with and let them know what kind of master gunsmith they hired and generally make his life uncomfortable.

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Originally Posted by Rigster

Well, I finaly got my gun back from that dick. After the ATF and the Lakewood PD tracked him down in Great Plains, Texas, he promised to return the firearms he still had. I got mine yesterday. It was completely disassembled and in pieces. The frame looks like it had been put in a vise and bent until it cracked, he polished the color case hardening from the side plates and completely disasembled the trigger group and actions. The detective told me that sense he returned the gun, it was now probably a civil matter.
I'm going to call the trade school that he is now employed with and let them know what kind of master gunsmith they hired and generally make his life uncomfortable.

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^^^^WOW ^^^^
Yes, he is definitely a "dick" for that move. Be careful with the job-impact though. If he were to get fired because of you, he might become unhinged and come looking... He has already proven to have some screws loose with his behavior.

So sorry OP, that sucks!

I don’t know how people can treat others that way and sleep at night.

Sorry for your troubles OP

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Originally Posted by Sawin

^^^^WOW ^^^^
Yes, he is definitely a "dick" for that move. Be careful with the job-impact though. If he were to get fired because of you, he might become unhinged and come looking... He has already proven to have some screws loose with his behavior.

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How would he know which of the many folks he screwed with called it in?

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Originally Posted by Rigster

The frame looks like it had been put in a vise and bent until it cracked, he polished the color case hardening from the side plates and completely disasembled the trigger group and actions. The detective told me that sense he returned the gun, it was now probably a civil matter.

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Awful.

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Originally Posted by Sawin

^^^^WOW ^^^^
Yes, he is definitely a "dick" for that move. Be careful with the job-impact though. If he were to get fired because of you, he might become unhinged and come looking... He has already proven to have some screws loose with his behavior.

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Seems a pretty low likelihood. I wouldn't let fear stand in the way of letting people know he is a shit-bag. Make sure you take pictures.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Seems a pretty low likelihood. I wouldn't let fear stand in the way of letting people know he is a shit-bag. Make sure you take pictures.

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Originally Posted by thedave1164

I don’t know how people can treat others that way and sleep at night.

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No kidding. Having a conscience makes one accountable for one's actions. I don't think I want to know what it would be like to not have one.

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Originally Posted by hurley842002

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I have plenty of pics both before and after. I do hope he comes looking for me, I'm waiting.

Make sure your vice is available.