Here we go again....
LIVE COVERAGE: At least 8 killed in Santa Fe High School shooting
http://abc13.com/live-coverage-at-le...oting/3490869/
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Here we go again....
LIVE COVERAGE: At least 8 killed in Santa Fe High School shooting
http://abc13.com/live-coverage-at-le...oting/3490869/
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Really, the timing of these things makes me wonder if the conspiracy nutters prattling on about MK-Ultra aren't right.
Operation Northwoods and operation Fast and Furious both make me wonder the same thing..Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
My hometown, and my HS (twenty years ago). I know a couple of my friends are teachers there. Seems so unreal when it might be people you know.
Bringing our kids to school an hour earlier to go through metal detectors will be normal within 3-5yrs. Random locker searches too. I’d hate to be a kid in school these days.
Several reports say weapon was a pump action shotgun
edit: SRO was wounded, not killed.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cac354c7f9.jpg
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/santa-f...tream-updates/
RIP to the victims and I hope the SRO and injured have a speedy recovery. [emoji20]
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Maybe try to find the link etc before posting a rumor... just a thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by CoGirl303
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WTF is up with people anymore? Too many sociopathic, maladjusted, snowflake arseholes roaming the planet.
What would be a good time to have a school shooting that wouldn't make you assume there is some sort of conspiracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
I know you're being rhetorical, nevertheless.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsker
Where do you want to start?
Discipline? The ignorant idea that all people are basically good? The dangerously stupid idea that all people are special and deserve to be treated as children their entire lives? The preposterous idea that the government can control behavior by removing the tools? Are you going to expect parents to be parents rather than being their spawn's "best friend"?
If anything, the timing of this would seem to suggest the exact opposite. If it happened a few days before a major election, I could see thinking there's a conspiracy but in the middle of May? Not only that, this is going to be a big news weekend with the royal wedding in England which means that likely the story is going to get buried in other events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
The anti-gunners keep clinging to this belief that there's going to be ONE mass shooting that will suddenly cause a massive number of Americans to change their minds about guns and gun control.
But when you consider that we've had a mass shooting at an elementary school, a church, and two recent shootings that killed 50 people, the reality is that if anyone's mind was going to be changed following a shooting, it already has been. All that happens now with a mass shooting is that those who hate guns and want to outlaw them get even more rabid in their hatred, and those who want to keep their guns get even more determined to do so.
The level of angry rhetoric may go up a few notches, but a few weeks in the news cycle and then something else will take it's place. It's sad that an event that would have been at the top of the news for weeks just 20 years ago now just makes a blip.
I don't think very many people actually change their minds following a shooting like this and given that big changes can usually only happen during an election, this is going to be old news by the time people go to the polls in November.
Look at this dipshit showing up to the school later. I'm sure he had good intentions, but his timing and presentation couldn't have been worse. The article title is stupid as well since while the MAGA hats were part of the Trump campaign, just the phrase of "Make America Great Again" is not at all political.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/18/armed...great-7557873/
The other guy quoted in the article sounds just as dumb though saying that what we need right now is prayers. Sure buddy, prayers to the rescue.
Don't need secret mind control with a complicit media sensationalizing every mass shooting, which all but guarantees to inspire more mentally ill to plan the next one. How about they give up their "freedom of the press", since it's part of the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Coupled with desensitizing kids at an early age with Violence and gore beyond what any other generation was exposed to except war. Throw in Hollywood doing absolutely anything imaginable to make a dollar and videogames that let's kids "simulate" what it would be like to have no consequences and we wonder why "Kids these days act like this".Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
The blame is all of ours from straying away from traditional morals and values that kept people accountable for thier actions. It's not a Gun issue, it's a generational issue. We've finally let society decay to a point where freedom will so just be the first word on a hamburger menu, no longer holding it's TRUE meaning.
How about stricter punishments for gun related crimes?
How about we start actually putting down death row inmates within the first 3 years of thier conviction (3 years for allowing time for appeals)?
Public hangings?
How about we start regulating what children see and have access too like thier parents should alread already do.
Let's increase the age to 21 for a Drivers license
21 for pornographic and violent materials including video games and movies.
Let's make a kid friendly internet where they won't be exposed to anything but wholesome games and education.
Bring back healthy competition.
How about real example making punishment for children when they cross the line (aka actually disciplining a child how they use to back when you put the fear of accountability into a child).
There's a lot that can be done but no one wants to admit that when you sacrifice one moral for entertainment purposes there will be people who will act on evils behalf to make sure that it comes to pass in reality.
The percentage of people who've grown up with violence in video games and movies and have not commit violence against others like mass murders is an even lower percentage than the number of people who have guns but don't kill people with them. Statistics works both ways.
My theory is it's the same problem with suicides: reporting on it, thus essentially celebrating it, places the idea into a person's head. High schools that have rallies after a single suicide often see copycats afterward. Same thing in military units.
Malcontent? Disaffected? Angry at the world? Feel like you're a peon and no one pays attention to you? Want revenge? Just shoot a school up! Your name will be known, your legacy will be one of power, and in the space of a few minutes you'll be "someone".
Ah sheesh. What a moron:
Why? in order to give him a target rich environment?Quote:
Tyler Turner, a senior at Santa Fe High School, said one of his friends pulled the fire alarm when he first saw the shooter walking down a corridor with a gun
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-shooter.html
From the shooters Facebook pagehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...df9a715f93.jpg
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The good news is the Parkland Florida kids are tweeting their support for the victims. Lucky!
The bad news is the President again failed to stop a crime. Lazy!
Shotgun and .38SPL revolver were used. Also heard LE report that pipe bombs/explosives were also found.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....texas.amp.html
Great...another NRA member shooting up a school. [/sarcasm]
When will people figure out the very simple solution to mitigate these sorts of things? Hasn't there been something like 3 school shootings stopped by armed personnel since March?
While I do agree with Irving on the “proofiness” of stats, +1 or ‘like’ on the point of moral decay of society. No one will ever address that. If you call it out, you’re anti-freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
Thoughts going out to survivors, friends and family.
Media saturation in 3, 2, 1...
I as we all were, told That Thoughts and Prayers wasn't going to solve the gun issue. Now the PHS are tweeting support. [facepalm]Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
You lost me at blaming inanimate objects, games. That's EXACTLY like libs blaming guns dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
There was always an armed cop (actual SFPD) at the HS when I was there. He was a big fatass who waddled down the halls, but he had all the duty gear you'd expect to see on a cop. I don't know if there still is a cop there during the day, but I wouldn't think they'd have less security now than they did then. Ours was the only school in the county that didn't have metal detectors though.
Video games are very animate and quite engaging. I certainly believe they may help desensitize people to violence. When a young man with mental problems plays hours of violent video games, killing without consequence, it may very well warp his already skewed view of reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bitter Clinger
The huge popularity of the Zombie genre in the last decade may be attributed to this as well. Using an M4 on an attacking horde people would be shocking. Using the same weapon on the "undead" has no moral compunction.
However, I'm a cook, not an analytical psychologist.
Because brainwashing doesn't exist right? Can you honestly tell me after a hostile movie, music, UFC or playing a combat game for hours you dont feel more aggressive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bitter Clinger
If they can do it with guns then we should do it with everything else just to show how stupid this is that's all I'm saying.
Video games can and are used to desensitize people. There is a definite debate on it but look at all the military and Law Enforcement training using simulations. It is meant to be used to help desensitize one for the time they are required to use the force required. Look up Lt Col Dave Grossman and his views on the effects of it. Very knowledgeable man and written a few very good books on the subject.
Good video of Lt Col Dave Grossman covering the effects of video games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMsEuR7dhj4
Ok what stat was I supposedly referencing? I was suggesting that non of our parents. Grandparents or great grandparents never had access to the tech we have now. I'm not saying they didn't do thier own crap but come on how can we honestly accept the idea that a young developing mind can handle all the constant bombardment that today's technology provides without limitations and guidance. I'm not saying that the sole of the blame is tech but its simply a part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
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Originally Posted by CavSct1983
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/active-sho...opstories.htmlQuote:
The suspect, 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, is in custody and has been charged with capital murder, officials said. The suspect allegedly wrote in journals that he wanted to carry out the shooting and then commit suicide, but he gave himself up to authorities, according to Abbott.
At the Santa Fe Police Department, Pagourtzis gave a statement admitting to shooting multiple people inside the school with the intent of killing people, according to an probable cause affidavit.
Pagourtzis also allegedly stated during the interview that he did not shoot students he liked "so he could have his story told," the affidavit states.
I am watching baseball and Mike Johnston for Governor ads come on. He has a plan to stop the violence.
Ban guns, stop the gun lobby.
I am curious how these policies would have stopped the Texas kid from stealing his father's guns and using them to murder.
I saw that one yesterday. I had to leave the room when it came on a few minutes ago. What a DB.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
I should have been more clear so you didn't feel targeted about statistics. I made that comment because it is commonly parroted on here about the statistically low chances of a school shooting, so why punish all gun owners? The same could be said about the number of people who've played violent video games, compared to the number that have committed violent crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
There are lots of things that people can point at to blame, but I'm just reminded of Columbine when people had no idea what to make of what happened and were just grabbing at straws all over the place. They blamed rock music and video games then as well.
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Originally Posted by eddiememphis
FIFY
Perhaps they already had the commercial ready to go and right on time for such an occasion
Disagree. Mass shooters are already a "thing." Eliminating press coverage would just make people think, "hmmm, hasn't been a shooting in a while, guess I'm up."