Just happened at Jacksonville Landing where a Madden NFL video game tournament was being held. No word on how many are injured. WTF is up with Florida these days?
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Just happened at Jacksonville Landing where a Madden NFL video game tournament was being held. No word on how many are injured. WTF is up with Florida these days?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxne...e-say.amp.html
Four killed is the number I saw, but it's very recent so who knows what's going on.
My son is there for the tournament. His first trip alone without family as a 20 year old.
He was out of the tournament yesterday, but was walking back to the event to watch some more of it this morning - just a few minutes away when the shooting happened.
He's called us several times, he's ok, but shaken up just thinking that he was minutes away from going back in there.
ugh.
Glad to hear he's okay, gnihcraes.
Know that area very well.
The Landing is between the good parts of JAX (Southside) and the Northside. If you boat, you can pull up and dock from the St. Johns. Used to be a couple of nice restaurants there but I don't know now.
Street violence/crime happens all the time in the Northside and barely gets a mention. When it drifts down, it gets noticed. Their downtown is very similar to Denver ca 1990s.
This is definitely different.
Glad he is okQuote:
Originally Posted by gnihcraes
Thanks.
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Shooter was a competitor in the tournament who lost and came back with a gun.
Wow, talking about being a sour loser.
In before people start blaming this on video game culture or making lame jokes about how maybe we should ban video games.
Right. The Madden NFL game is rated for 7yrs and older. Also not a Shooter game like Call of Duty which had been blamed for causing people to commit murder. The shooter lost in the qualifying rounds and couldn’t handle losing. No trophy=KillQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Venue was yet another Gun Free Zone ... imagine that.
If only those pixels hadn't kneeled!
People who don't understand video games do not make a distinction between types of video games.Quote:
Originally Posted by KS63
I guess it was the first time in his life he learned that not "everyone is a winner".
News said the shooter won the Madden tourney two years ago.
Kelly - I’m very glad your boy is ok and wasn’t a direct witness. I know you’re gonna hug the heck out of him when he gets home!
Just heard on the news. Casualties changed to 2 dead, 11 wounded.
Thanks, I will. He seems pretty upset with all this and wasn't directly involved. We'll see how he is when he makes it home tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fentonite
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Glad your boy is ok Kelly.
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
My thoughts exactly. When everyone is a winner, no one learns how to handle the disappointment of losing. I think this is one of the major contributors to this sort of violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Typical blame game on socials this morning. NRA's fault. GOP's fault. Trump's fault.
But, again, the little monster wasn't a member/supporter of any of those!
Jacksonville Shooter Was Member of Anti-Trump ‘Resistance’ – Referred to Trump Supporters at “Trumptards” – Murdered 4 People
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ered-4-people/
Actually murdered 2, wounded 9 with gunfire, 2 got hurt fleeing the scene, and offed himself. If he just would have reversed that order, this wouldn't have impacted so many lives.
Sweet Jesus Kelly. SO very glad to hear your son is okay. I will be sure to stop by when he gets home. Crazy times we live in. Stay safe.
No way!!!
APNewsBreak: Shooting suspect had history of mental illness
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BALTIMORE — The suspect in a deadly shooting at a Florida video game tournament had previously been hospitalized for mental illness, according to court records in his home state of Maryland reviewed by The Associated Press.
Divorce filings from the parents of 24-year-old David Katz of Baltimore say that as an adolescent he was twice hospitalized in psychiatric facilities and that he was prescribed antipsychotic and antidepressant medications.
The records show Katz's parents disagreed on how to care for their troubled son, with his father claiming his estranged wife was exaggerating symptoms of mental illness as part of their long and bitter custody battle. The couple divorced in 2007.
...but the guns are the problem.Quote:
Divorce filings say David Katz played video games obsessively as a young adolescent, often refusing to go to school or to bathe. Elizabeth Katz, a toxicologist who worked at the Department of Agriculture, said she would confiscate some of her son's gaming equipment after finding him playing games in the wee hours.
"His hair would very often go unwashed for days. When I took his gaming equipment controllers away so he couldn't play at 3 or 4 in the morning, I'd get up and find that he was just walking around the house in circles," the mother said, according to a transcript included in the court files.
At one point, she put his put his gaming controllers in her bedroom behind a locked door and he punched a hole in the door, she said.
Elizabeth Katz said her youngest son had increasing difficulty concentrating following his parents' split. A judge awarded custody of the boy to his mother, with visitation rights to the father.
At times David "curled up into a ball," refused to attend school and sobbed, she said. She asserted that her ex-husband instructed David not to take Risperidal — an anti-psychotic medication prescribed to him. The father claimed in court filings that David was not "diagnosed as psychotic."
He missed large stretches of school while under his mother's supervision. He was admitted to the Sheppard Pratt mental health system in Ellicott City for about 12 days in late 2007. Court documents say a psychiatrist at that time administered antidepressants. He later spent about 13 days at Potomac Ridge, a mental health services facility in Rockville.
Richard Katz, a NASA engineer, asserted that his ex-wife had "an obsession with using mental health professionals and in particular psychiatric drugs to perform the work that parents should naturally do." He said she routinely gave false information to mental health care providers. He described one incident in which his son was handcuffed by police after locking himself in his mother's car in an attempt to avoid going to a mental health appointment with her.
In other news, the guns used in the attack were purchased legally in Maryland. The family of one of the victims is blaming "senseless gun violence".
If he had a history of being treated for mental illness, he obviously lied on the ATF form.
So an honest question is how to keep guns out the hands of nuts with criminal intent without impeding our Constitutional rights?
I don't want to undergo any kind of medical or psychiatric evaluation before buying my next gun. * It's too subjective and the less government the better. But this kid clearly had problems and should not have had access to a firearm, but I can't think of any way to keep them from him.
*(Which will likely be next month, I've been drooling on a Springfield EMP 9mm for months.)
Also, watch out. They are coming for laser sights next. Everything I have read has mentioned them and it's on the news as I type this.
When laser sights are outlawed, only outlaws will have laser sights.
Maybe they should ban batteries next.
Pretty much...Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
I believe the standard set on 4473 is "involuntary commitment" by a lawful authority which I've always thought to be a very fair standard. I wouldn't want to keep people from getting the help they need under threat of losing their rights (which could happen with any mental health history [e.g. PTSD, feeling "depressed" not to be confused with depression]). And if someone is dangerous enough to warrant confinement then they probably aren't safe with guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
I also like the due process that was given by the lawful authority (court for civilians).
Where I think it's gone off the rails is the closing of state facilities, which are likely too costly in 2018 in their original form. Judges can't really use the tool of commitment when there is no where to send someone. So we get the red flag laws which infringe without qualification/due process while the person deemed dangerous is still out and about (makes zero sense). I think we'll see more of this unfortunately.
The first thing we can do is stop creating gun free zones. We can't control when a crazy person will strike or what weapon(s) they'll use. We can offer an equal/greater amount of violence to stop the threat, if we stop disarming folks!
The second thing is the death penalty and apply it for mass shootings in the hopes of creating an adequate disincentive for those with the reasoning capacity to evaluate consequences.
The third thing is to acknowledge there are legitimately crazy people who need to be warehoused as cheaply as possible as their families/friends can't care for them or keep society safe. I hate this as a Conservative but I don't see other solutions. James Holmes and Adam Lanza are/were great candidates for this treatment. Everyone around them knew they were dangerous!
All of that said, they weren't going to get a confinement in this case as the murderer was highly functioning and (AFAIK) didn't have a record of violent behavior.
A lot of this is also sensationalized/blown out of proportion to implement gun control. Keep in mind there are 325,000,000 people in the US now. 40 mass shooting deaths in 2018 as of June, WP says 7,075 gun deaths YTD...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.6d009f54ab72
Katz and Lanza appear to have had similar mental and physical characteristics.
Son is home, doing well.
Knows several that were injured. (by their screen names etc) Met a couple of them for the first time in person at the tournament. (prior to shooting)
Glad to hear that. What a thing for him to go through.
In the interest of making money from other people’s tragedy I have decided to begin a new lottery game. It will be Winners from Losers. To win, a player must correctly guess these five things:
Location (city and state)
Method or tool used
Number of dead
Number of injured
Name of the first federal politician to call for stricter legislation due to the tragedy
Each player pays $1 for each entry. First correct entry wins 70% of the take. The rest of the money goes to administrative costs with any excess divided among the states where the game is legal. I predict big things for this game. I believe the nation is ready.
I believe Jonathan Swift would be proud.
Will there be a rope dancing run off, in case of a tie?Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
The wording of 18 USC 922g is "who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution". Whether or not he lied on the Form 4473 he certainly should have had membership in the NICS naughty boy list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
"Adjudicated" Implying the lawful authority on 4473. Again, I think that is fair. But I don't know of any process to adjudicate someone mentally defective yet not commit them. I do know the courts can appoint POAs for people deemed incapable in certain respects but that is not a declaration of mental defect/illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
The overreach of Obama trying to make prohibited persons out of folks with financial POAs (elderly) was illegal and immoral (IMHO), for example. Just because and elderly person can't manage their finances doesn't mean they should be disarmed if living alone and competent enough to use a firearm for defense. That was actually another head scratcher for me... If someone isn't competent they probably shouldn't be living alone (I've had elderly family in this situation so I know there are in fact people who shouldn't be on their own).
But maybe a broader POA/ward of the state should make a prohibited person? And if so, for life?
How should he have had membership in this case?
I've read about the 911 calls, interaction with LE, and arguing with his mom. Does that on its own rise to the level of mental defect?