Gentlemen, I have in-laws in FL with a neighbor drone problem...
LEO contacted, no law on books in locality.
Cost effective ideas to effectively stop a drone flying at approximately 50 ft. off the ground, and firearms are not permitted.
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Gentlemen, I have in-laws in FL with a neighbor drone problem...
LEO contacted, no law on books in locality.
Cost effective ideas to effectively stop a drone flying at approximately 50 ft. off the ground, and firearms are not permitted.
Wrist rocket sling shot?
Will a Super Soaker spray that high?
My vote goes for a potato cannon.
If they are flying within the constraints of FAA regulations and local ordinances, you have no legal recourse for whatever actions you choose to interfere with the drone in operation. 'You' being the generic 'you'. People may find themselves in a world of Federal hurt for downing a drone in an unsafe manner, in addition to any civil or criminal property damage statutes. It's just a fact. Your best bet is to talk to the individual, or see if they are violating the regs or local ordinances. You can look up your in-laws address on Airmap or Skyvector to see if the airspace is legal to fly in. Amongst other things, I am a licensed commercial drone operator.
Or another drone to battle with the offending drone. Like an old school dogfight.
That would make for an epic YouTube video.
Buy bigger drone and hang a net from it. Fly over little drone and drag the net across the props.
Cola and Mentos artillery barage?
1000x this...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyEgo
As someone who owns, flies, and uses multi-rotor flight systems (none of mine are autonomous so it annoys me to call them drones, especially when I have worked on autonomous ones), don't be the (generic - not one person here) d!ck that goes and destroys someones multi-thousand dollar piece of equipment because it annoys you.
If they are flying illegally? Fine, deal with it properly.
If not flying illegally? Talk to them. See if an agreement can be reached.
I guarantee you won't come to a peaceful and reasonable solution if you go the vandalism route...
It's illegal to do that. 83feet is absolutely the minimum that is listed as too low in supreme court decisions.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...11020287234065
United States v. Causby, 328 US 256 - Supreme Court 1946
https://aviation.uslegal.com/ownersh...over-property/
has a list of citations to read over also
Edited to add US v Causby has been used successfully to defend someone who shot down a UAV with a firearm from charges at least once that I know of.
Yagi rifle is technically illegal to use, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
I've seen the Causby case cited elsewhere, and I've never heard of it being used to justify shooting a UAV down. If you care to cite the case, I'd like to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
The FAA has yet to make a determination for an airspace floor for multi-rotors. They have set an airspace ceiling of 400'. Nowhere in the FAA guidelines for UAS is there any mention of an airspace floor (at least not that I've ever come across...)
The way Causby is written is too vague for real world application to "drones".
Also, if the OP's in-laws shoot the drone down in the neighborhood, they are likely breaking laws by discharging a firearm inside city/neighborhood limits.
Now, all of that said, I will say this as an owner and pilot of such aircraft.
Be a kind and courteous pilot, and avoid all the BS anyway.
Very illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickNorris
It also just causes the quad to hover where you target it, at least until it's battery fails. Within the US, the operator of the jamming system would be liable for the damage to the quad and any damage on the ground from it falling... (Hard to prove/prosecute, but that doesn't change the fact that it's illegal for several reasons.)
Jus' sayin'...
http://youtu.be/5CzURm7OpAA
Pretty sure Deer Trail was selling licenses to shoot down drones. Maybe someplace in Florida will sell a similar license to hunt drones.
Of course the coolest way to remove a drone is by training a bird of prey to take it down.
You can see videos on YouTube of eagles taking out drones. Pretty sure the government trained them to use in crowded areas.
That would be cruelty to animals,.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
I’m sure it is the same with propellers on drones. I remember back in the day with RC model airplanes, that the propellers would give you a mean cut if your hand or other body part got in the wrong place.
NICE!Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
I took a hit with my 15" nylon (glass reinforced) folding props and ended up with a decent cut. Had they not been folding, it would have been much worse. Carbon fiber props can quickly turn you into an amputee.Quote:
Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
^thisQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyEgo
I dunno. The language in the link Wolf posted seems pretty clear:
[QUOTE]The air is generally a public highway and the airspace overhead is part of the public domain[ii]. But, if a landowner is to have full enjoyment of his/her land, s/he must have exclusive control of the immediate reaches of the enveloping atmosphere[iii]. Accordingly, a landowner is protected against intrusions in the airspace immediate and direct as to subtract from the owner’s full enjoyment of the property and to limit his/her exploitation of it[iv].[QUOTE]
I would think that a drone buzzing around in the airspace immediately over my property would certainly “subtract from my full ownership of the property”. And if, as a landowner, if I am to “have exclusive control of the immediate reaches of the enveloping atmosphere”, I think I would be within my rights to, say, water my air with a powerful hose, as I see fit. Not saying I’d have any right to preclude a drone from flying over anyone else’s property, but directly over mine, and low enough to be a nuisance? I’d try asking politely, but only once.
Would you use that same example to justify watering the street if you didn't like whom ever was in front of your house within 83' of your property line?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fentonite
Not a valid comparison. The street is outside the boundary of the property lines. If you project the property lines vertically to a given height, the drone is violating that envelope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
This conversation has not been directed towards drones flying over the streets, alleyways or other easements not specifically contained within the property line envelope.
Apples do not equal Oranges.
Sent from somewhere...
I agree, but I think it might be a tough argument to make that something within X' feet is bothersome to you if there are other things like properties and public access within that envelope of the property line. I imagine that it's not something that'd ever go in front of a jury, and with just judges and lawyers it'd be pretty cut and dry.
Ultimately, avoiding doing things that are likely to encourage legal action from your neighbors is the simplest solution.
I'll bite.
There is a reasonable expectation that some one or thing could observe you on your property from the street or an adjacent property.
Is it reasonable to say that this 'expectation' also applies to the immediate airspace within the same property line?
Not even
Heard of Google Earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickNorris
I'd talk to the owner first. If that failed, then mention to local LE dept. The drone seems to hover over your property while in a swimsuit. You feel uncomfortable to the point the few times said drone has appeared you feel like it's stalking you, like a peeping tom. That's illegal no matter how the invasion of privacy is done.
Laws or not pertaining to drones. There's a reasonable level of privacy for any home owner.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
yeah, what crays said. There is established precedence that the airspace, at least to some degree, is that of the property owner. Otherwise, I could extend a 2nd floor balcony over the back yard of my next door neighbor. I won’t water the street to keep folks off public property, but I will water my own lawn when I want (there was a funny video posted on this site of someone doing just that, using a motion-activated sprayer, to keep trespassing pissers at bay).Quote:
Originally Posted by crays
I'd like to hear more specifically what the supposed problem is. IE them actually flying the drone outside their windows or in a neighborhood vs someone with an acre getting butt hurt because they think it's crossing the property line some. (Which is very dubious to ascertain since just by looking at the drone telling true height and distance is not really accurate just by eyeballing it.) Or basically when people are out sunbathing vs just being indoors and annoyed that they can hear one being flown.
It's one thing to have court language, but completely another to have that mean anything. I've heard discussion with wildlife resource officers about the legality of shooting across private property from public to public with respect to hunting. A floor/ceiling of airspace was not part of that discussion, but I assume that was due to lack of airspace issues in general by the people having the discussion. It seems though, that a law enforcement officer would have some passing familiarity with the subject since drones are often talked about with respect to hunting.
Clearly, when shooting across private property from public to public, one must use indirect fire, so that the rounds go over the 83? of private airspace.
I suppose kneecapping the offending neighbor would be frowned upon.....
I don't think mortars are a legal method of take. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Fentonite
.45-70. Enough said. [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
I?d take it to the next level and say that the drone operator is spying on my children and try to have him branded as a pedophile. That should get law enforcement involved.
The problem with being annoyed is that people don't generally react in a rational manner. I know that I don't. I've been lectured on this very board for spraying my garden hose into the open window of someone speeding down my street for example. Anyway, what might annoy a drone operator that may be skirting the boundaries of decency/manners, if not the law, but isn't permanently damaging property that potentially costs thousands? Would a paintball gun be effective?
I said 'reasonable' & 'immediate' & specific to the topic of quadcopters over residential properties/boundaries by near neighbors for who knows what purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
Introducing Google Earth as an comparable example in this context is just silly, dude.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Anything that impacts said drone will cause damage. Once again try resolving with dialogue, which i'd personally be recording on my phone. Worse case scenario, is there an HOA for the neighborhood? Sic those napoleanic natsee's on them.