...and why you need standard cap mags all in one vid.
I don't know what the solution here is. They obviously know the home is occupied. Looks like about eight of them. They made quick work of the security door but the inner door seems to have given some resistance.
Vid is SFW but audio has the n-word.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=s3uf0_1564607275
8 well placed shots is the solution...
What are they supposed to yell?
Land shark?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Police should not be allowed to conduct dynamic entry except under extreme circumstances (and no, flushing evidence isn't extreme enough because if the entire evidence can be flushed in one flush the crime doesn't meet the definition of "extreme circumstances). I'm saying hostage situations and apprehending terrorists are about the only circumstances that should warrant dynamic entry.
Some schmuck hold up by himself with a gun? Surround the house and wait him out. High value/dangerous arrest warrant? get him when he's left his home, not when he's in his bunker with his arsenal ... if you can't get him outside the house then again, surround the house and wait him out (cut power/water/etc).
If we didn't turn our police into war-zone-like door kickers then criminals wouldn't have much luck pretending to be police to gain entry this way.
If those criminals learned a single thing from other, more successful criminals, they would have had a recording of a robot announcing they were an agent from the IRS or the vehicle warranty department.
Not falling for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_NS2H55dxI
Agree! But even limiting RoE to "potential loss of life" only, there could still be issues. "SWATing" is one example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
[ROFL2]Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Those don't scare me one bit. I would pay to stop the calls though. Wonder why they haven't thought of that?
I don't usually make this flavor of post but I'll bite...
Someone can stand outside & wave about, bang & shout anything they want to try & convince me to allow them entry but I'm not opening my door & certainly not under such a thinly veiled pretense.
Note* the camera did it's job right there.
To be clear, nothing I have done or would do, would ever warrant a sanctioned surprise entry by the 'Police' at my home. That now said & secure in this position, I don't care who is trying to come into my home under any guise, wholly uninvited I'm NOT going to actively assist. I will make a call to Police if possible, I will take a predetermined safe/covered position, I will wait for the threat to subside & I will be armed all while doing so. Simply put, not by the hair of my chinny chin chin.
Honestly, I'm far more concerned about the consequences from choices I'd have to make if someone gained illegal entry into my home after making an announcement. I don't need to defend stuff. An announcement of any kind means they know or assume I AM in my HOME. The way I see it, that erases any doubt of their probable intent & the assumed aim is no longer an essentially benign burglary.
Specific to the link: those boys did not come prepared for a gunfight & likely would have scattered if presented with the reality of a 12 gauge. But, I'm not one to shoot a group of stupid boys on a porch for sport.
Again, that camera did it's job as I could easily prove 'fear for life' from that video. If they had gained entry it would have been wholly different & even while in the legal right, a bad day for all involved, period. While prepared to, I sincerely hope I never have to make that kind of choice.
I completely agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
The internet commando in me fantasizes about taking the AR with me out the back door and walking around to where the 8-ishcriminalsracially and/or socially oppressed yutes were attempting to force entry into my home. After that it just looks like a Tarantino movie.
With or without the flamethrower? [Flower]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
And those yutes were doing an incredibly bad impersonation of a determined dynamic entry. The proper response from inside would need to be a loud and vigorous, "I can't hear you! Sound off like you have a pair ladies! I've heard more enthusiasm from Miley Cyrus fans! Make it loud enough so that the first responding officers can hear you!"
Candygram ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
For Mongo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duman
Mongo like candy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
While the security door was a cheap variety and either without a deadbolt or whatever the case was, I think it provided a warning system given the noise of its opening. It also slowed the group down by a little bit.
Camera did its job, too.
I agree with Skip that the mere shouting of “Police!” is insufficient and should not be relied upon as indicative of announcing a legitimate presence.
I also agree with Zundfolge that dynamic entry is overused. While I recognize and greatly appreciate the target law enforcement paints on itself for the furthering of public safety, I think it has morphed into something which is too dangerous for all involved with very little reward for the risk presented.
Mongo just pawn in game of life
Uhhh they werent saying Police... they were saying POlice... big difference. They were also throwing out the n word and saying open it... pretty clear they werent cops if you were on the other side of that door... also the police dont use crappy tools to get into houses. And i could go on
Well, seems like the police might designate just one guy to do the shouting, rather than a chorus of afterthoughts.
So like many of you, I am pretty straight when it comes to the law. The most egregious thing you'll find on me is speeding tickets the last of which was 2010. I do not fear LE or anticipate negative contact.
Here is what I fear...
- I'm sleeping, my family is sleeping (others depend on me)
- Hear loud noises
- Go to investigate loud noises
- Hear "POLICE!" (I'm unincorporated, we don't have police, but maybe they shot "SHERIFFS!")
- ?!??!?!
I have multiple cams recording everything. They may or not provide fast enough info on what is happening. They may have been disabled; in the front one is highly visible and one is not.
At best I have a firearm in my hand and have not fired
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/30/us/so...lle/index.html
At worst I have seconds to decide if the individuals trying to break in are violent criminals or decent guys on the job who got an address wrong or something else is off.
It's obvious this crew was not professional. It's also been obvious to me traveling the country that some LEOs do not sound, or at times act, professional. "POLE-EESE!" is exactly how some LEOs sound in parts of this country.
A very small amount of coordination, planning, and commonly available items (LE marked clothing, fake badges, etc.) and this could be much more professional and fool a lot of people. Of course, that effort would correspond to reward but I don't trust the criminal's ability to correctly evaluate incentives--this is why I carry a gun.
Keep in mind many criminals know more about how LE operates than the avg Joe. They've seen it up close on a regular basis.
That was before Red Flag laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickNorris
Doesn't change the truth with regard to MY conduct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Mongo..."Yes"-"no"-"Yes"-"No"
I've also never done anything to warrant a sanctioned surprise. That doesn't mean I'm not aware that they can and do happen, and it doesn't mean I'm not concerned by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickNorris
You're one pissed off call from a vengeful/paranoid/insane neighbor, ex, relative, whatever. And I'm not even talking about red-flag.
E.g. remember the walmart call about the guy "waiving a gun around and pointing it at people"? The "suspect" was on his cell phone, holding a bb-gun from the walmart shelf, pointed at the floor when LEO rounded the corner and shot him. He had never pointed it at a person at any time prior, etc, or done anything other than hold it while on the phone.
Or the hotel where someone claimed a guy was "pointing a gun at people" and LEO murdered him in the hallway?
Unfortunately, honesty isn't a common trait when a a lot of people call 911 to report something they find distasteful. Exaggeration is.
Absolutely dead on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge