My Lunch

So I live about 10 minutes from work, which is great as I can go home for lunch. I live in an apartment complex. Today, I went home for lunch. Pulling into the complex I get waved to the side. A cop telling me I'll have to park up front for now as there is a disturbance further down the street. I inform the cop that I live further down the street and need to let the dog out, etc. He says ok, and asks to accompany me to my front door since it's close to the danger zone. I'm like sure, (carrying so I'm not too worried about anything). When I get there, not 50 yards away across the street is a line up of police with the lead guy banging ont he door with one of those door hammer thingys...
I ask the cop with me what was going on. No details, just some sort of disturbance that was called in. Guy is refusing to open teh door. So the cops makes entry and you can hear yelling and fighting and it really seems like the kid (military, young guy) was really putting up a fight. Took four cops to drag him out of there bound hand and foot. One cop came out with a bloody nose and minor bleeding cracked forehead. (But no tasers were used?!) A few minutes pass and we are just chitchatting. We overhear the talk - military, drug runner, pit fighter, wanted for several criminal activities, got in fight with his girl so the girl called the cops on him! HAHA.
Cop asked if I wouldn't mind filling out a witness statement. Not at all I say, tell him I'm carrying and if I reach for my wallet for ID, he may see it. He's fine with that, disarms me. Checks out my gun, really likes it (same as his [G19] but mine has all the extras) gives it back. Get the dog out to go potty and we just chitchat while they finish wrapping things up, lol. So that was my cool lunch experience. It was fun for me!

Anyways, any LE out there. Thanks for serving and keep your heads down. Back to work...

Sidenote: For any LE out there, are civies allowed to accompany a cop to their range and run the obstacle course, etc?

So you witnessed them doing an unnecessary raid on a guy that they could have just nabbed while he was leaving the store or something? That's what I'd write about in my witness report.

I'm sure that will catch me some shit on here, but oh well.

lol, Sturtle, you are having a bad day my friend. I don't know the whole story. Just thought it was an interesting event to share.

As far as the unnecessary raid... I'm not sure it was unnecessary. The kid has loud parties all the time, drives like a bat out of hell with little kids around, several complaints against him from his neighbors for different/various reasons, horrible temper, and is just downright a mean/angry kid. I don't know if it was an unnecessary raid, but I sure didn't try to stop it. It'll be a little quieter when I go to sleep tonight.

Update from wife: They towed his car too! lol.

Hope you have a better day Sturtle. Peace.

I'm feeling better now, that response has nothing to do with my day. What is the point of forced entry into a persons house (especially ex or current military) when there is no emergency? No hostage = no entry. In my opinion, it is putting those cops at an extra risk to try and grab the guy that way, especially when no one was in immediate danger. How comfortable would you be when your boss tells you, "Hey BigBear, we're going to force entry on this military guy's house today. You're going to be the point man, so try not to get shot in the face while you and 9 other guys try to squeeze through the same single entry point into a small apartment. I mean sure, we could just nab him on the way to the mail box when he is unsuspecting and unprepared, but if we pound on his door while he's in the familiarity of his own home, and will have time to grab a gun, it will be just that much more exciting. Good luck!"

here's my lunch:

http://www.freefoto.com/images/09/09...pg?&k=Sandwich

Kindof..

I went to Dickey's BBQ....it wasn't as exciting[Coffee]

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Originally Posted by opie011

I went to Dickey's BBQ....it wasn't as exciting[Coffee]

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Just wait till tonight! [ROFL1]

Difficult for me to give an opinion on this without sounding too anti-police.

To be fair to the police, they could have knocked and asked to talk to him, THEN he started acting like a punk. Even then, I think the correct response would have been, "Okay sir, have fun without power or water then. See you in a few days."

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Originally Posted by Sturtle

To be fair to the police, they could have knocked and asked to talk to him, THEN he started acting like a punk. Even then, I think the correct response would have been, "Okay sir, have fun without power or water then. See you in a few days."

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True, that would have been the good route. Not trying to stand up for or speak for the cops, but there are a lot of variables that we probably don't know about in the situation. Anyways, it's all over know and I just need to find someone that knows what happened! lol.

The more I think about it, just waiting him out is too easy. They need some adreinaline! 8 cops just sitting there until the "crazy, right wing religious, ASSUALT rifle toting, homegrown terrorist" comes out is wasting good hardearned taxpayer money! Just go in there guns blazing [UZI] (please read with sarcasicm)

None of what was said really says anything about individual officers either. I just want to point that out.

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Originally Posted by Sturtle

So you witnessed them doing an unnecessary raid on a guy that they could have just nabbed while he was leaving the store or something? That's what I'd write about in my witness report.

I'm sure that will catch me some shit on here, but oh well.

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While I agree that approaching a suspect on his own turf poses additional risk to the LEO's, trying to approach this guy in public where he might have a good chance of seeing them coming and where innocent bystanders could be put at risk is even more dangerous. If the situation went so bad as to involve a bystander (which would be horrible in it's own right), the resulting media backlash could turn public opinion so against LE that officers might face further risks.

Just my 2 cents.

I thought of that briefly. Like they wouldn't want to try and pull him over for a busted tail light because it could turn into a high speed chase. Other than that, I can think of all kinds of ways to pounce on someone while they are unprepared. The best I can come up with, is when he is going between his front door and his car. The only down fall to that is that it requires the time of a stake out. Still much safer than what they did, and it would be a lot quicker if they shut off all his utilities.

Heck, they could even have contacted the land lord to set something up so they could have a time and place set, so they didn't have to sit around waiting all day. Lastly, the guy lives in an apartment complex, and if he started shooting from his apartment, there could easily be just as many people "around" as if he was leaving a supermarket or something.

But the cops have all that training and all those cool toys, gotta use 'em once in awhile ya know.

With all do respect Sturtl, I feel you are really jumping the gun here and making quit a few assumptions.

We have no idea what the situation was, or what this guy did, or what he was doing. I will say this though, if it warranted having 8 cops, and having them have to break in his door, I am pretty sure it wasn't for a minor traffic infraction. I'm sure they had plenty of justification in doing what they did and its pretty easy for us to sit behind our computers and play Monday morning quarter back. But I'm pretty sure they did what they felt was right at the time, LEO's dont just go around willy nilly knocking in doors for a bowl of Cheerios.

This guy did something that warranted excessive force.

JM2C

I didn't get lunch. I was killing my dinner! Pheasants!!!!

cool story though.

It has nothing to do with what the guy did. It has everything to do with if someone was in immediate physical danger or not.

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Originally Posted by Sturtle

It has nothing to do with what the guy did. It has everything to do with if someone was in immediate physical danger or not.

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IMO it has everything to do with what the guy did. How do you know that this guy didn't just kill 12 people and threatened to kill anoth 30 people? We don't know anything, so again its easy to sit here and play Monday morning quarterback. But without knowing specifics, its all just assumptions

It is easy to arm chair quarter back, I can't argue that. Even if the guy did just kill 12 people, and threatened to kill 30 more, sitting in his apartment all by himself with no utilities, those are just idle threats and no one is in any immediate danger. Unless you count the five men trying to get through the door way all at the same time.

Or the old lady about to get shot and killed because they are at the wrong damn place.

If I wanted to really fawk with someone, I'd file a complaint with the cops and mention the following: "He is a drug running, ex-military, pit fighter". I'd also add off his meds and puppies at risk for good measure.

Just sayin'.

I always wonder why cops disarm any friendly, obviously unthreatening person near them. If I was going to go crazy and shoot you, do you think I'd walk up, talk nice and tell you I was carrying?

Do you think disarming me makes you safer?

I dunno. It bothers me. I avoid talking to police if for no other reason that I resent any man disarming me so he can feel safer.

That said...neat lunch. I took 15 minutes to scarf down my no-carb chicken pasta alfredo and got back to work. Not nearly as exciting.

I was wondering why you told him you were carrying myself.