https://www.foxnews.com/sports/calif...ities-reported
Not a fan. Just an interesting story. 4 others killed as well but not yet named.
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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/calif...ities-reported
Not a fan. Just an interesting story. 4 others killed as well but not yet named.
Looks to be true. I never was a fan of the guy, but very sad. He had little kids too.
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mahabali
The Sikorsky S-76 isn't the usual civilian helicopter. I wonder what happened?
You also claim to "not be a fan" of Ikea. [cigar]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
From pics of the crash, it appears that the conditions were foggy and the helicopter crashed into a hillside.
Lakers and Kobe fan here. Still in shock.
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I am not proud of my initial reaction to this news. A complete lack of interest and an I don’t give a s**t moment, his death is simply not relevant or important to me. Fact is the man had family some of which might very well have been on that flight with him and it is a tragedy all around. Perhaps my mind swung to his well known Colorado legal issues but I had no reason to be so callous with my initial thoughts. Condolences to his family and those that called him friend but I have no underlying reason to morne his loss.
I was reading this article last night and this happened today.
https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-...n-helicopters/Quote:
Danger spins from the sky
The Robinson R44, the world?s best-selling civilian helicopter, has a long history of deadly crashes
NOV. 18, 2018
By KIM CHRISTENSEN AND BEN WELSH
*yes I know it was not Robinson R22,R44,R66.
Unfortunately news has been reported one of his daughters was killed in the crash
I have the same same, meh, who cares. But I still dont care. He had no impact on my life, so his death is no different than other random people who die in car crashes.Quote:
Originally Posted by USMC88-93
We dont have to care him, no matter how much the media wants us to.
Like or dislike him, truth is that he more than likely had a much more positive effect on those less fortunate than Joe Blow who died in a crash last night and received no headlines.
Kobe's Philanthropy
In 2006, Bryant and his wife Vanessa launched their Foundation to enhance the lives of young people through cultural and educational experiences. The Kobe and Vanessa Bryant Family Foundation (KVBFF) is dedicated to improving the lives of youth and families in need, and encouraging young people to stay active through sports.
KVBFF operates?Mamba FC, a youth soccer club in Orange County that teaches young athletes how to become leaders and independent thinkers, while working together as a group to achieve a common goal through health and fitness.
In order to make a measurable impact on the critical issue of youth homelessness, KVBFF partnered with a number of Los Angeles-based organizations including Step Up on Second, My Friend?s Place and United Way. Bryant has served as the honorary chair of United Way of Greater Los Angeles?s annual HomeWalk for three consecutive years.
Bryant volunteers his time to Make-A-Wish Foundation, NBA Cares and The Boys & Girls Clubs of America, and serves as an ambassador for After-School All-Stars. In 2007, he launched the Kobe Basketball Academy, at which he mentors and trains athletes ages 8-18.
(disclaimer: not in reply to any individual)
It is tragic, I suppose; pragmatically, my thoughts don't actually matter - we are not connected to anyone in his life even - and I'm not going to treat it as a funeral service, although I'm not going to be blatantly disrespectful either. The honest truth of its importance (and mind you, I'm not picking on anyone, I do it too sometimes) is people jump on Facebook and everywhere to post news like this because...
...it's mere gossip. Something new to talk about besides the "hows the weather up theres?" that will be of interest to people. Generally speaking, I wouldn't get offended if people don't care any more than I'd be offended if they said "Beats me, I'm not there" when people do their b.s. small talk about the weather.
Posting things like "rips" or "thoughts and prayers" are equally as valuable as "likes" on a post about hungry homeless people. Pragmatically, they only make the individual posting it feel slightly better, they don't actually do squat. (Millennial/Generation Z/Boomer/etc.)Did my duty as a good person today, I said RIP and pressed "like"....
If you really want to appreciate a deceased person whom you respected - do something respectful in their honor that they would've appreciated today, which actually has meaning. (e.g. pay it forward).
He may have been a philanthropist later in life but he was an admitted multiple adulterer. As an apology he bought his wife a $4 million dollar diamond.
There was the alleged rape he committed, later admitting it was non-consensual.
As for basketball, he was a great scorer. That's it. He was not a great teammate, as evidenced by most former teammate's comments. Selfish, arrogant, obstinate and as Steve Nash says, as asshole.
In my opinion as a basketball fan, he was a chucker. 33,600 points is a lot. He put it in but he also took 30 to 50 shots a night to average his 30 something points.
And very few assists. Yuk. He also gave himself the awful nickname, The Black Mamba. Double yuk.
I feel bad since his kid was killed. It's always horrible when a kid dies.
The player? I am not one to worship celebrity and find it difficult to understand people showing up at the Staples Center crying.
I cried when my parents died and I am sure I'll cry when my dog dies but a basketball player? I don't get it.
Was just reading that there was a pilot and 8 passengers on the helicopter.
This thread should be renamed, "Post your list of reasons why it's okay that Kobe Bryant is dead."
No one seems to be saying, "I never paid attention to that 4 year-old that got shot in the head, so who cares?" Weird.
I heard it from a friend, who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another friend that Kobe was MAGAing around.
Pretty sure the helicopter was intentionally shot down to distract from the impeachment defense. SAM was seen in the area...
...and he's the one that told me about Kobe's MAGA hat. He's got a mustache, so it's legit.
Kobe Bryant dead: Trump reacts, calling it 'terrible news'Quote:
Originally Posted by OxArt
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President Trump on Sunday reacted to NBA superstar Kobe Bryant's death in a helicopter crash, calling it "terrible news."
"Reports are that basketball great Kobe Bryant and three others have been killed in a helicopter crash in California. That is terrible news!" the president tweeted.
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Reports are that basketball great Kobe Bryant and three others have been killed in a helicopter crash in California. That is terrible news!
Trump took a break from tweeting dozens of posts slamming the ongoing Senate impeachment trial against him.
His reaction came hours after reports that Bryant, 41, was killed as his helicopter went down in Calabasas, Calif.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Office said all nine onboard had died but did not confirm the identities of the other passengers.
Trump later added to his sentiments saying: "Kobe Bryant, despite being one of the truly great basketball players of all time, was just getting started in life. He loved his family so much, and had such strong passion for the future. The loss of his beautiful daughter, Gianna, makes this moment even more devastating. Melania and I send our warmest condolences to Vanessa and the wonderful Bryant family. May God be with you all!"
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Kobe Bryant, despite being one of the truly great basketball players of all time, was just getting started in life. He loved his family so much, and had such strong passion for the future. The loss of his beautiful daughter, Gianna, makes this moment even more devastating....
Bryant was, on numerous occasions, critical of Trump, especially after the president disinvited Golden State Warriors' champion Stephen Curry from visiting the White House in celebration of the team's NBA title.
"A #POTUS whose name alone creates division and anger. Whose words inspire dissension and hatred can't possibly "Make America Great Again,"" Bryant tweeted in Sept. 2017.
Kobe Bryant
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@kobebryant
A #POTUS whose name alone creates division and anger. Whose words inspire dissension and hatred can't possibly "Make America Great Again"
Almost a month later, when asked if he would attend a possible White House visit of his own, Bryant said he would not go.
"I wouldn't go. Simple. I think it's a whole matter of respect and standing up for what you believe in," Bryant said. "You can agree or not disagree and that's completely fine, I think that's the beauty of the country is being able to speak up for what you believe in right? So being able to voice that opinion, you can agree with it or disagree with it, but I'll certainly respect your opinion and believe all thoughts should be valued, but no I wouldn't go."
I feel for the mans family, I’m not sure I could bear a similar loss. And to the point I do not celebrate the tragedies of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Are you saying it is not okay he died? Who makes that judgement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
It IS okay he's dead. The world will keep on spinnin'.
..."that 4 year-old" wasn't a celebrity. Nor was it a Hall of Fame basketball player, thus less coverage.
However, the child I think you are talking about- the little boy that was shot in the head in Indiana- has been discussed. And personally, I think a child's life lost is much more tragic than an adult celebrity's.
Especially this particular celebrity. See my above post.
What was the last thing through Kobe Bryant's mind?
Plexiglass and aluminum.
Let me rephrase for you. Posting a multiple paragraph explanation about how little you care about something, doesn't send the message you're trying to convey.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
FTW, in fact it makes you look pathetic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
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MSNBC whoopsie: https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/...JCrLY8MowoO5aC
People "care" about some people more than others. I have zero feelings about a guy who threw ball well for a living, but I listened to nothing but Rush for days when Neil passed. I liked Neil as a guy and as a musician. Kobe? Couldn't even tell you anything about Kobe's career, except "good basketball player". I know nothing about the guy...and don't wish too.
Sure I feel for the guy's family and all, but jeez. Lots of people die every day. RIP to all of them.
And bashing dead people is just bad form. No matter what.
And as to the 4 yo tragedy, what can people post about it besides, "seems fishy...so sad", which has been done?
My point is that people do this weird thing when celebrities die. The people that like them obviously are sad or upset or bummed out, whatever. Anyone ranging from don't care to didn't like the person, climb over each other to get their two cents in about how little they care or are glad. It's this weird compensation that people do. Same thing with a thread about the Broncos or Chevys. Half the thread is people talking about the subject, and the other half is people chiming in about how they haven't liked the Broncos in a decade or wouldn't own a Chevy if it were given to them.
I wasn't trying to pick on Eddie, as this is something lots of people do, and I've been guilty of myself. Just trying to point out that if you really don't care, then don't say anything. Sure makes you look a lot better, at the very least.
Good advice. Some people seem to feel the need to comment on everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
[ROFL2] 42,718 and counting [ROFL2]Quote:
Originally Posted by GilpinGuy
Sick burn dog.
Do not know if it was I that came across wrong, but I was trying to convey in my initial post that I was taken back and somewhat apologetically shocked at my initial callous indifference and then having thought about it immediately after my initial response genuinely understand the grief of his family and friends. Perhaps I was wrong given the conversational nature of the forum to treat it as a confessional analysis of my own reaction (which my initial post was). Or perhaps could have worded my own initial post better that you can sympathize with others tragedies but sometimes the death of a public figure will affect some more than others.
It is in the nature of communication and conversation via the internet with people you do not otherwise know that things get lost in translation; The opposite can also be true in which true intent and undertones become obvious regardless of wording. I took the opportunity to publicly acknowledge a self criticize my own initial thoughts in an effort to convey that thought process worded it poorly.
Either way I the unfiltered opinions of others is why I value the conversation here and other forums.
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Originally Posted by BPTactical
yikes
I took no issue with your post UMC. I thought it was relieving.
I say it every time this type of thread happens. Regardless of your current feelings. We were all raised to not speak ill of the dead.
Except BP. Humor is humor. But that's an old joke, I expect more from you...
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Originally Posted by Delfuego
Worst helicopter parent ever?
Kobe Bryant helicopter audio released:
http://youtu.be/B0pQfgi9ZqU
Damm. Couldn't tell from that what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
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The snapshot of the vid, and the audio comment from the controller on the vid is misleading... The picture and audio showing "you are too low" only means the controller is saying they are too low for "flight following" which is kind of an air traffic controller assistance that VFR pilots can request, to help the pilot look out for other aircraft and look out for weather, and allow the pilot to fly thru some classes of controlled airspace without waiting for additional approvals, etc.
But, in order for ATC to provide flight following, the aircraft needs to be above some minimum altitude to ensure a good radar signature on the ATC controller's radar, and to ensure good radio communication.
So while it turns out the aircraft was too low for the terrain, that wasn't the message being relayed from the flight controller.
What is important is that they were flying VFR in a situation with an extremely low ceiling. The conditions reported by Van Nuys tower indicated the ceiling was 1100' and the pilot reported they were at 1400'. The last altitude reported by the pilot was 1500'. Prudence dictated safely returning from the way they came or using a pilot capable of IFR.
Indications today are that the helicopter hit the hillside at a high rate of speed. If the pilot is using VFR and can't see the hill he's flying into...there you go.
ETA: According to this article: Kobe Bryant crash pilot received clearance to fly in poor weather conditions, the pilot was IFR qualified. The bottom line: "Ian Gregor, an FAA spokesman, said that a pilot remains responsible for determining whether it is safe to fly and for determining visibility."
Ouch!! [facepalm]Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
This reminds me of JFK junior's flight to Martha's Vineyard.
Aside from skill level, no one else was flying due to weather conditions, yet the pilots in each case chose to fly.