If any of you have Facebook, you can watch the video here:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/213783...tn__=%2As%2AsR
Video of shooting - Viewer discretion NSFW:
https://youtu.be/CZNvcQdTGQs
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If any of you have Facebook, you can watch the video here:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/213783...tn__=%2As%2AsR
Video of shooting - Viewer discretion NSFW:
https://youtu.be/CZNvcQdTGQs
Oh man, good thing that guy had her back from the internet. He has a bunch of YouTube videos, but none are this one.
Good hopefully this case will show how ridiculous red flag laws are and get it repealed or at a minimum LEO will take a stand not to enforce this ridiculousness the democrats came up with
After watching the video I was able to deduce that Jeremy was not a good decision maker.
Jeremy seems pretty clearly in the wrong here, and his death is sad, but he gave the officer no other option.
But why did the police kick in his mom's door and arrest her?
She filed a red flag law against the officer and lied to the judge by claiming they had a child together. I didn't follow every detail, but I thought I heard she was planning on filling every day until he lost his job or something along those lines. She was very public about abusing this law to harass this officer. I guess now the police are very publicly making an example of her.
Was the Facebook guy just trying to keep her busy until the cops got her? I don't understand his pro-2A comments when she attempted to unlawfully have someone's rights revoked.
I guess bad decision making runs in the family.
I'm out of this loop too. Jeremy acted like a homicidal moron and got treated as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
My guess is mom went full retard raging against all po-po and armed up and bragged about it, raising a red flag concern. [Dunno]
I guess I type too slowly.
Through blatant plagiary, she criminally abused the already abhorrent red flag law. Glad to see enforcement on both sides of it, if it has to exist. A nut-job internet cheerleader doesn’t make her right.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
For some context, the ERPO was discussed in this thread a while back: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/176949-...d-Flag-Request
Thread posted about warrant.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/177140-...d-Flag-accuser
There is another thread around here about when she filed the Red flag as well.
Post #10 in thread Gman linked.
It'll just lead everyone to believe fabricated cases are actually dealt with, or there's consequences, and so the obvious problems with it are suddenly OK. Yet, this is the only woman that will have any consequences, and they'll always point to it to pretend it's balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Her argument is that they have a child in common. She bore the child and the officer killed the child.
My question would be...did they red flag the officer?
If not then why not? It is supposed to happen then you have to fight to get your guns back. Have to fight to disprove the accusations.
They did. For six or seven days. At the hearing, the order was thrown out.Quote:
Originally Posted by WETWRKS
Regardless, I still think their actions to detain her for a nonviolent crime were way over the top. But that seems more common among police nowadays.
I second what Gman said earlier. I don’t know who that Facebook dude was or his views on politics, but both of them saying “never let the government take your guns” is hypocrisy at its finest especially from her. Someone enlighten me please...
This is an egregious example of attempting to cause real harm to someone through an abuse of the court system as you'll ever find. If this case isn't prosecuted, none should ever be. No one is saying this law is good or balanced. And you have now way of knowing how many people will be prosecuted for abusing this law. Your comments are as one-sided and jaded as those you continue to chastise for holding this case up as an example of how this law might be abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by OxArt
Her son made poor decisions. Judging only from the bodycam video that shooting was as justified as any I've ever seen. This deranged woman can't get over her son being dead due to his poor behavior and she's tormenting the officer involved. She should be in jail. If anyone needs to be in jail it's her. I wouldn't be surprised if she eventually winds up just like her son.
I wholeheartedly approve of the way Holmes is being prosecuted in this case. Not because I think it will cause those in power to reconsider what an awful law they've created, but because Susan Holmes deserves it for her actions. I'm under no illusion this will change things for Joe Citizen, but it'll sure as hell give Holmes an opportunity to rethink her actions and it will bring some relief to the victim, if only temporarily. This is not just about Holmes.
And YouTube sensation timmybmm is a freakin' idiot.
That isn't how our system works. Or not how it's supposed to work, anyway. Presumption of innocence is a fairly important legal concept we follow. That's kind of the whole argument against the Red Flag law and it's a pretty basic concept that everyone should understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by WETWRKS
After I read the comments under the video, I was able to deduce that there are a lot of folks out there supporting criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
There are a whole lot of people that support criminals under the guise of being advocates. It's bullshit. If want to see a bunch of asstards in Denver, look at YouTube and Richard Brandt and his pals. A bunch of non working non productive slugs.
I agree wholeheartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
A Bill was introduced to repeal the red flag law.
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb20-...d02Y00uGOppmXE
I feel sorry for the Police Officers that have to deal with nut cases like this on the front and back end of this situation. That is a super crappy situation to be in all the way around.
The Dem majority will not allow it to move forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneGuy67
His mom is no rocket scientist either.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
I'm not doubting you, but I couldn't find anything that talks about officer Morris giving up his firearms or having his access revoked at work. Do you have a link?Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
Let me get this straight. She knowingly hid from the cops while there was an active warrant for her arrest. She knew about the warrant. The lights in her house are clearly out, she's hiding. The cops are asking her to comply. She doesn't. Then she gets the noncompliance prize, men forcing her to comply.
This is called Law Enforcement. It's been going on in this country for over 200 fucking years.
ANYONE that thinks she was abused need to pull their head out of their ass.
This explains the bizarre process of her ERPO filing.
https://www.rallyforourrights.com/re...titioners-son/
The Sheriff, having some knowledge of who the LEO was, never served it, so it had no effect on the officers firearms or his day to day work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Dutch
FTR, BG, I've seen misrepresentations nearly this bad on TPO applications. Never saw ramifications in any case - including one where the petitioner admitted, in writing, it was all a lie and retracted the TPO. (claiming the nonprofit agency she went to just invented everything and she signed it without reading it) most notably, that woman ran to the agency to C.I.A. after she stabbed her boyfriend with a steak knife - out of the blue, btw. Once she had reassurance she wouldn't be prosecuted, she dropped the TPO. No ramification. Unless someone is chomping at their Hiney, the courts and prosecutors realize that perjury = more work. Even in this case, if it didn't make the news, and it was a regular joe, if Mrs. Bonkers stopped at some point and quit wasting the system's time, they probable wouldn't have pursued it (esp if Joe didn't make a epic stink about it everywhere he went). It's not a self-cleaning system.
Not correct, the judge never signed the temporary order.
As reported by a journalist in the above link? That contradicts all sorts of other prior journalists too. Not saying it isn't correct, but can't entirely place faith in it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
I suppose she could have filed a petition with notice....it would take some more figuring to see if that would skip a TPO hearing, but then WhyTF is the sheriff preventing service on the LEO?
https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defau...a_1436_ren.pdf
A temporary ERPO was not requested when she filed.Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
Exactly
That makes more sense actually. C.R.S. ?13-14.5-103 does use the language "may request..."Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
Still contrasts against earlier reporting of an order "being granted" and the sheriff refusing to serve "it". If the sheriff is just refusing to serve notice of the petition (without a TPO) then that is pretty outrageous on the Sheriff's part, as the issue with these is a lack of due process. If you have a frivolous complaint, but due process to hear it and shoot it down... what makes it "ok" by any measure to protected LEO from fair civil process.
My understanding is that the sheriff didn't serve the notice of the hearing.