Anybody have any experience with exterior camera systems? Looking for an affordable system.
I think I would prefer a DVR type system as opposed to a cloud based, would prefer not to be bound with a monthly payment.
Ideas?
Thanks
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Anybody have any experience with exterior camera systems? Looking for an affordable system.
I think I would prefer a DVR type system as opposed to a cloud based, would prefer not to be bound with a monthly payment.
Ideas?
Thanks
I just did a simply safe system for everything. Super easy. But you got the monthly payment
We're happy with the Ring system we installed. $10/mth. though, unlimited cams I believe. We have 6 going.
The good thing about the cloud storage is nobody is going to steal it.
If I broke in and murdered you and your family and managed to steal your dvr and destroy it then nobody would have video of me committing the crime. Not so much with the cloud.
Cut the cable feed going in to the house?Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
$100/yr for 24x7 alarm monitoring, unlimited cams/recording, and extended warranties on devices. https://shop.ring.com/pages/protect-plansQuote:
Originally Posted by OtterbatHellcat
You wouldn't find the DVR Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
But I would find you.........
This would generate a Ring alarm notification to our phones/watches via cellular network.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
If it's convenient to hardwire everything via twisted pair and PoE, that would probably be optimal. Have recordings go to on-prem NAS with replication to the cloud.
Sure but there wouldn’t be any video of ray murdering anyone either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Reluctant to do a Cloud based system for a couple reasons:
A- Monthly fee
B- Ability of somebody breaching the info.
C- Dont know who will have access.
How secure are wireless systems?
Yes, it’s pretty easy to hide an NVR.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
But he'd let you know he was coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Bert when it’s really cold a lot of those cameras stop working. Most criminals aren’t out then either but something to think about.
Responses for Ring:
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Originally Posted by BPTactical
For the record, if I went to BP?s house it would likely be to return something I borrowed. I would also notify him I was coming.
I will be following this thread since I have seriously been considering some sort of camera system. Not really looking for any sort of alarm type thing that notifies anybody other than me so hoping maybe I can also avoid pesky monthly fees.
I checked the tech specs on mine and they're good down to -5 F.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
A wired system running to a computer using something like Blue Iris which can also send notifications would be pretty slick, but it may be pricey. The software is often licensed, so figure that in.
Ispy is free softwareQuote:
Originally Posted by Gman
https://www.ispyconnect.com/
Here are two local NVR systems that I have had very good luck with and are easy to setup and maintain.
Synology Surveillance Station - can use just about any cameras, they have a list online. There is a fee per camera. We are using hardwired PoE 4k hikvision cameras and it has been rock solid with no maintenance required for 2 years.
Ubiquiti UniFi Protect - must use their hardwired cameras (they do have one wireless model). I use this at home with their flex g3 cams. It’s dead simple plug and play setup.
Both Systems have phone apps for remote live viewing, historical viewing, and email notifications.
I will be building a system here shortly on my new house. I wouldn't use wireless cameras for sure! Definitely go with a PoE system and a NVR! I used Lorex cameras on my old house and they were pretty decent. Now that I do commercial alarm and video, I will most likely be using Axis cameras. They make some awesome cameras and you can even buy them off Amazon. A little more pricey but well worth it in my opinion!
Opie011-
Please describe you system and sources when you are done.
Thanks.
Will do. May be a little while before I have it all picked out and installed though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CobaltSkink
Don't use the Axis companion stuff. I had major issues with their cameras having dirt behind/inside the lenses that would leave blurry spots in the image that were much more apparent at night where they would show up as bright spots. As for the Companion records I've had to do factory defaults on a couple that just decided not to play nice anymore. Took forever to get Axis to believe me and replace them. Their P series cameras and up are good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by opie011
2 of our neighbor has those DVR systems. They love it, except it is pain in the ass to install.
Wiring running 35 to 40ft+ making a hole in not the wall.
They both got the one they sell at costco. I forgot which brand. I was about to get that.
Whereas I got arlo. Free 7 day storage (you can immediately download footage into the phone/pc). Can get budget regular arlo to arlo pro2.
Only issue I have is that it is so sensitive at low setting that it will do many false alarm on sun/shade change or tiny bugs.
I had an Arlo setup, but the batteries were a killer.
I would love to have the opportunity to be able to pre-wire a house as it's being built.
There are some aftermarket power cords that you can use with Arlo. They work great on mine, but I still find the Arlo reliability somewhat less than perfect.
They might be hiring!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
https://www.constructiondive.com/new...panies/298164/
ToucheQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Let me rephrase, "I'd like to have the opportunity to be able to pre-wire my house as it's being built."
I've used Blue Iris with six POE cameras for about three years. No issues to report. Find a used decent quality POE switch, run your Cat 6 and hook it to your computer. Use a VPN (most decent routers will have this built-in.) Blue Iris has apps for Android and iPhone. I have a Synology router setup but, prefer Blue Iris.
It's what I use. POE and Blue iris running on older laptop. So glad to wire up the house/attic with wall boxes and network ports. can move a camera anywhere or add more without much effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by LX470
blue iris ftw. sunba 20x cameras can be had to provide a lot of dynamic ability you wouldn't see in any traditional camera system.
on a side note to prewiring a house:
You can also do it when you reroof a house. run the cables in places where you're not apt to nail (like on top of valleys), to a centralized place on top of the roof where they descend into the attic space. Then shingle over the roof as you normally would. cat5,6,7 etc. doesn't care about the heat, so long as it doesn't have uv exposure it'll last as long as the shingles do or longer.
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Originally Posted by Gman
I have an Arlo 2 system and it is good for - what happened last night- not what is happening right now. I never can get it to connect fast enough to get the front door. I do have three solar panels and they have kept two cameras maintenance free for two years. One camera got wonky and I had to recharge the battery. A mix of low sunlight this winter (Due to placement) and cold temps, plus it triggering a bunch due to high traffic area got to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fentonite
I have a camera and a solar charger on a pole/shepherd's-crook type thing that I can move around as needed. It's all black and with a bright red bird feeder hanging on it, it all blends in. For another I built a 'bird house' out of the PVC expanded foam 'wood' that I put on an 8 foot 4x4 in a stake mount. One roof is the solar panel. No one ever sees that one.
ARLO is getting better with AI to tell you what is at the door- person, package, animal. The cloud access is too slow is the issue. I wish there was one that was local stored with cloud back-up.
Also, cloud means that they use that for training the AI. I always make sure I shut off the system before I load the car for outings related to this website.
I'm thinking about adding a ring door bell to get faster access. ARLO is just too slow, and the audio sucks too badly to be used as a communication device.
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Originally Posted by Gman
We have been using an Arlo system since 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fentonite
Pluses: Easy to install (wireless), no fees (for up to 5 cameras), cloud-based. Reasonably priced (under $500 for a 4 camera system.) Provides OK video.
Minuses: Slow to connect (can't really monitor the door because it takes anywhere from 10 - 30 seconds for the camera to actually pull up an image on the phone), motion-activated video can be unreliable (doesn't always activate) and cameras need to be recharged every 3 months or so (although mine are set up so I get an alert on my phone when they get to 15% so I usually have plenty of time to pull them down to recharge.)
What I like about them is that if we are camping somewhere we can monitor what is happening back at the house (as long as we have cellular data service, that is.) The good news for us is that we don't really live in a neighborhood that has a lot of crime so they're not really "necessary" for us.
I regard them as "better than nothing" but if we lived in a place where we actually NEEDED a video camera system for security, I don't think I'd rely on them, I'd probably bite the bullet and get something more reliable, hard wired and maybe even monitored.
Either that or I'd find somewhere else to live. [Coffee]
My experience with battery powered cams is that their motion triggers miss a lot. The powered cameras are basically always recording, so if there's a trigger it will jump back in the buffer to something like 5 seconds before the trigger.
With the my experience with the Ring cameras, the motion zones for the battery cams are very rudimentary. With the powered cams, you have multiple zones that you can stitch together to get a really refined detection while ignoring a shrub/grill cover/furniture cover that may flap in the breeze. My rear LED flood light cam for example, does not pickup squirrels running across the top of the fence or people in my neighbors' yards. As soon as something enters my yard space, they're being recorded, including several seconds before the activation. If someone climbs over the fence I'll know. If a critter happens to come down the fence, I'll know. If anyone/anything is near my gate, same thing. Motion sensing for triggering the lights (on cameras equipped with them) is an independent activation range, which may be different than the activation settings for camera motion.
If I could afford it and had better access in the attic (we have very high vaulted ceilings), I'd go hardwired with on-prem recording and cloud backup with everything on UPS. It's cost prohibitive for me and I get plenty of coverage to satisfy my curiosity and comfort level. I live in a pretty safe neighborhood with neighbors that look out for each other.
ETA: I also have a spare powered cam that I put inside the house when we're away for peace of mind. The monitored alarm with the ability to detect smoke detectors and glass breakage via Alexa set in "Away Mode" provides extra coverage.
We went with this system:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Cameras can be POE, but we just positioned them so they could be independently powered. They come already paired to the NVR, so no tech stress for those that don't speak geek. I went ahead and ran CAT5 from the NVR to the router for the online features. Bought it 2 years ago this month, and it's been pretty trouble free. They've put out updated firmware since then, but the update was easy.
This is my feelings and experiences with Arlo too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinjmpr
I do like the solar chargers. I just put that last 'pole' camera out and I didn't realize the spare battery I put in it was at 3% power. With in three days, the solar panel had charged it to 95%+.
The main function I use is "Did I close the garage door.....". Plus I travel a lot (or used to) and it is nice to be able to have some situational awareness of what is going on at home.
Blue Iris + whatever cams are the "best" value at the time. This changes regularly as the cams are always improving, but with a roll-your-own system like BI, you aren't stuck with any one vendor. I've installed and supported several systems, and while there can be an initial learning curve the first time, with a few notes from someone who has done it before, it's pretty easy to set up and forget it. I use the remote access on my phone and/or PC all the time as I have it hooked up to a doorbell cam too. Only takes a sec or two to see who is at the door. Also using another BI system to monitor approx 15 cams or so on a tiny little PC - as long as you get a decent speedy hard drive, I've had zero issues and could probably fit more.
Side note but if you decide to do your own system and don't want to mess with grey-market ebay cams, I've had good service from this place called "Nelly's" - they give pretty decent advice when asked and have had pretty decent prices, though it's been a little while since I've bought anything. Some of their stuff is rebranded equipment with USA-based firmware, which I found is a better option than pure Chinese stuff off ebay.
I too just hate the idea of a monthly fee, or locking myself in. If you do a non-brand specific thing, you could always change the cams to the next recorder/system you like or vice versa.
edit to say I'm definitely a big fan of POE/wired over all other options, and wouldn't do anything else unless I had to.
Cannot believe nobody asked for you budget...
2 Good options here.
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Originally Posted by xiondavis
Another BI user.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian
Re: Nelly's. You mention you have a video doorbell. Do you have their branded version of the Uniden doorbell cam? I've been pleased with mine (Uniden) with the exception of not being able to turn off the IR. Instead of hacking the hardware, I just covered the IR ring with a vinyl cutout. However, it still attracts bugs and spiders.
There's also some BI integration with Alexa and some Home automation products. I have the video feeds hooked into Hubitiat Elevation aka Hubitat aka HE dashboards but don't yet have any HE to BI controls (3rd party dev) setup.
Another ARLO user. (posted numerous arlo /camera thread in the past).
Got the arlo even before Arlo Pro was available.
Pro:
1. 7 day cloud storage free. i think it is free upto Arlo Pro 2, I am not sure. Mine has 7 days free.
2. Sensitive*. It will catch a bug moving around at 80-85% sensitivity level
Con:
1. I use rechargeable CR123. and it requires to change once a month during summer, and sometimes 1/week during 10F below winter.
2. Sensitive*. Sometimes it will alert every 8 minutes if there is a sun and shade combo shifting. It gets really annoying. Yes, I can lower the sensitivity, but I need to raise the sensitivity for night time. (i don't use schedule on/off feature).
3. Arlo device make "click" sounds when it is about go on. If bad guy knows about arlo, they can try to sneak away from camera until it makes "click" sound when on. (Arlo Standard, i am not sure about Pro 2).
Overall, I would rather have arlo over any device due to free 7 day cloud service. However, I BELIEVE (from last time i visited arlo website) does not offer free 7 day services.