Vista Outdoors reports a $1 Billion ammo backlog..

Looks like it's going to be a while this time.. and to think that they are just one of many companies that are likely in the same position.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...acklog-billion

"Big-name shooting sports company Vista Outdoor Inc. reported ?over a year?s worth? of backlogged ammunition orders worth more than $1 billion, an official said recently.
Vista was reporting its second-quarter earnings when CEO Chris Metz detailed what announced the backlog, which he called ?unprecedented? for the company.
"We currently have over a year's worth of orders for ammunition in excess of $1 billion," Metz said during the Nov. 5 call. ?With demand far outstripping supply and inventory levels in the channel at all-time lows, we see strong demand continuing, and this metric informs our viewpoint of what a recovery or normalization could look like."

There's still some hope for this country... ammo is short.

1 billion isn't much when 9mm is $0.50 a round ��

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$1 Billion would be what their contracts are with their distributors not retail.. so if taken at retail price this would likely be around $3 Billion. Typically in the business of selling goods the rep firm or distributor gets it at whatever price from the manufacturer, they mark it up and then sell it to the end dealers who then mark it up again to sell at retail to the consumer. a $5 item from the manufacturer will be marked up and cost the end consumer $15-20.

It was a joke...smiley got reformatted

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It was a joke...smiley got reformatted

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Ahhh, what does it take to update the forum software to fix this issue anyway?

[mop][panic]

Were they forum smileys?

Nope [ROFL1]

At this point, the first opportunity for ammo to go down in price will be 2022 midterms, and that is assuming things go well for the 2nd Amendment during that election. And even the GOP manages to have majorities in the House and the Senate, I won't expect too much of drop in ammo or gun prices as long as Biden is in the White House.

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At this point, the first opportunity for ammo to go down in price will be 2022 midterms, and that is assuming things go well for the 2nd Amendment during that election. And even the GOP manages to have majorities in the House and the Senate, I won't expect too much of drop in ammo or gun prices as long as Biden is in the White House.

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Biden's gone by mid year if that. It's not biden you need to worry about. It's the soon to be announced Gun Czar, Beto Oh. IF, key word IF the d's are 1 shy of a majority in the senate. Harris is the tie breaker. Throw in a handful of fuktard politicians, who consider them self as R's, and the recipe is there.

This is why we need to fight them up front, now!

Arizona, you are communist, socialist, blue?

Do you believe in a fair election, where every vote is ticked off to the votee from the voter?

Vista has a huge stake in ammo manufacturing, owning three of the four major primer makers.

If someone in Washington decides to go after ammo instead of guns and targets Vista, that could be a serious problem for civilian shooters.

Vista has Federal, CCI, Speer, Blazer, American Eagle and now Remington under their umbrella.

Just imagine the Dems trying to take away guns from all of the new gun owners who are POC.

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Just imagine the Dems trying to take away guns from all of the new gun owners who are POC.

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Well, many of the new gun owners of the last 6 months were dems and it doesn't appear that they had any issue with voting for Biden. Can't fix stupid. And when the plandemic is over and tbey have to turn their panic buy in they will si.ply write it off tbat they paniced over nothing and tbat they shouldn't have bought it in the first place.

A lot of the Dem new gun buyers have no clue about the gun world and what a threat Biden is to it.

A lot of the Dem new gun buyers have no clue about the gun world and what a threat the Democrats are to it.

FFY..

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A lot of the Dem new gun buyers have no clue about the gun world and what a threat the Democrats are to it.

FFY..

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True, but they're learning to love their new gun(s) just like we did when we were new gun owners, so they'll learn about the threat the Dems are to that freedom in due time.

Good news is that Vista is recalling previous-Remington ammunition employees to get the Remington ammo factory up and running. During the Remington bankruptcy process, the ammo factory was only operating at 10% capacity. Won't solve the ammo shortage but will certainly help, even just a litte.

Source: https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2020/...set-to-return/

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This is why we need to fight them up front, now!

Arizona, you are communist, socialist, blue?

Do you believe in a fair election, where every vote is ticked off to the votee from the voter?

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Hardly. Unlike CO that's open to all who come. While sucking your paycheck dry, to pay for them. McSally was a loser before she lost the 1st time around.

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You sure look communist.

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I? look like a communist You're a fuckin idiot. Especially living in saudi aurora. But hey i'll cut the new girl some slack and go easy on ya.

Arizona, is your country, you went there as a last rest onse.

But now it is gone. You will have to suck Government tit, and march to their orders.

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Arizona, is your country, you went there as a last rest onse.

But now it is gone. You will have to suck Government tit, and march to their orders.

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says the gal whose sheriff supports red flag laws. Then there's rhonda fields. just to name a few in that choice city you live in.

My reps. All R's, The sheriff, as well town police chief, and city council will not enforce red flag laws. They also spoke out against said laws in the state house.

Oh yeah, NO BGC if you're a CCW holder. NO BGC at gun shows. Face to Face sales, LEGAL. OPEN Carry, LEGAL. Display of a firearm IS NOT considered Brandishing and is legal.

So don't tell me how fucked anyone in AZ, is when you have those flag burners as LE's and state reps. Have a nice day. I suggest you do some research about me before you start name calling.


ESPECIALLY as a newer, what is it now, 3 month old member.

Looks like somebody could use a little coffee this morning.

Naw. I think he's got this one covered. Piece of cake for Jim.

Yep CO gun laws suck. I think alot of other states will be getting stricter gun laws with the mass exodus of Dems from their liberal states and bringing their Great ideas with them. Kazoo yall are going to have a fight ahead of yall as the state starts leaning more left

If every conservative would just listen to Kazoo and move to Arizona, all the elections would be in the bag for ultra-communist/socialist progressives across the country, which would seal the fate across all 50 states.

He's really an inside man for the Biden team. Come on man, don't fight battles in other states, just move there!

(Lets also forget that AZ went for Biden too)

Valid points all, but back to the thread....

....what I don't understand is that with this almost perennial under supply of product in the market why isn't there sufficient investment in manufacturing to meet demand? A $1 billion backlog that could be $3 Billion? It seems oddly askew in a capitalist system. Does a large corp like Vista gain enough in price from under supply? Do the down market vendors profit more from higher prices than from high volume and increased lateral sales in things like more guns, optics, etc?

If shooters can't buy ammunition they can't shoot it and buy more. WTF?

I've read a bit about that. A lot of this is due to low supply of raw materials. The downside to building up manufacturing is that, in reality, that additional manufacturing capacity will be idle more than it'll be productive. In the short term they'd do well but long term it's a bad investment. In the end if the mines for things like copper aren't productive then all the factories in the world won't help ammo supply.

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A lot of the Dem new gun buyers have no clue about the gun world and what a threat the Democrats politicians are to it.

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FIFIFY

They all want power. One side screws you with a left-hand thread, the other with a right-hand thread.