Tobacco tax story

I was at a local gas station cash register behind a guy who was buying some "Zyn". For those that don't know, this is a non-tobacco nicotine pouch type of thing that is supposed to be a tobacco substitute and, IF used correctly, wean your ass off of snuff.

Anyway, the guy asks for the Zyn and asks, does this have the new tax? The clerk says "yeah, sorry". It was like $2 more than before the tax or something, crazy.

The dude goes a little sideways, not on the clerk herself but in general, and says, "I'm trying to quit tobacco and these assholes tax me for it!!!"

I just said, "Thanks government."

He looked at me and said, "No shit....assholes".

Mission accomplished - one more mind thinking about how our government fucks us every day. :)

Exact same story regarding vaping. It was a strong tool to ween people off cigarettes, but they treated it just like cigarettes and now a ton of teens are addicted too it. There's more to the story than that, but similar vein.

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Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

I was at a local gas station cash register behind a guy who was buying some "Zyn". For those that don't know, this is a non-tobacco nicotine pouch type of thing that is supposed to be a tobacco substitute and, IF used correctly, wean your ass off of snuff.

Anyway, the guy asks for the Zyn and asks, does this have the new tax? The clerk says "yeah, sorry". It was like $2 more than before the tax or something, crazy.

The dude goes a little sideways, not on the clerk herself but in general, and says, "I'm trying to quit tobacco and these assholes tax me for it!!!"

I just said, "Thanks government."

He looked at me and said, "No shit....assholes".

Mission accomplished - one more mind thinking about how our government fucks us every day. :)

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If he said that at a wrong neighborhood,he would have been stabbed in the jaw/face in the back alley regardless of he was armed or not.
His face would be an ATM, bad guys knife would be an ATM card.

[flamingo]

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Originally Posted by Irving

Exact same story regarding vaping. It was a strong tool to ween people off cigarettes, but they treated it just like cigarettes and now a ton of teens are addicted too it. There's more to the story than that, but similar vein.

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I get that. The moral of the story is "We'll do anything to get your money" from government. Like they want people to stop buying tobacco products. [LOL]

When I smoked a little,it was about 2.25 per pack.
Is it about $10 now?

I quit smoking in the early '90s. When I heard how much a pack was today, I was like "That's not much less than I paid for a full carton back in the day."

I'm not sure how people can afford that habit.

Then again, I don't understand people that have a $5 per cup Starbucks habit either.

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

When I smoked a little,it was about 2.25 per pack.
Is it about $10 now?

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$0.50 per for me.

I can fill the trucks up for less than a carton of smokes.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

$0.50 per for me.

I can fill the trucks up for less than a carton of smokes.

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Remember Lucky Strikes being .23 and there were 2 cents in the pack wrapper because the machine could only take a quarter ?

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Originally Posted by MrPrena

When I smoked a little,it was about 2.25 per pack.
Is it about $10 now?

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This will date me.
10 cents a pack on the ship before I quit.
No taxes being in the Navy out of the U.S.
$1.00 per carton, limit 2 cartons per week.
Smoked about two and one half packs a day

People think I am nuts by saying this but cigrette may have saved my life.

I use to work and go to school, and I was constantly sleepy. So I took caffeine pills before I drove.
That only lasted few month and changed to ephedra (now illegal) pills. Ephedra did not last 3mo. So I start smoking.
Smoking before and while driving helped me alert while driving. :)


Speaking of caffine pills.....
"I am so excited!!I am so excited!!"



https://youtu.be/1QBHO6ek2mU


https://youtu.be/Q6Uz9HrkVII

The ads on TV said it would tax - vaping, and go to fund pre-schools.
Did not say anything about increasing the tax on cigarettes, or where else the money could be spent.
You know that most people do not actually READ the proposed bill, they just go by what they see on TV.
It was on TV, it must be the truth.
The money can be spent on, rural schools, preschool funding, tobacco education programs, housing and health care.
How is housing and health care tied into pre-schools?
And how much of the money is ACTUALLY going to filter down to the pre-schools? WHENEVER that happens.

I hope the people that smoke cigarettes (and the rest) that voted to have the government screw us EVEN MORE are happy.
No telling where the funds are actually going to go, it is written into the bill, as usual.


The actual tax breakdown goes something like this....


Increase the per-cigarette tax to:
6.5 cents on January 1, 2021
8 cents on July 1, 2024
10 cents on July 1, 2027
Increase the statutory tobacco products tax from 20% of the manufacturer's list price (MLP) to:
30% of MLP on January 1, 2021
36% of MLP on July 1, 2024
42% of MLP on July 1, 2027
Establish a new tax on nicotine products as follows:
50% of MLP on January 1, 2021
56% of MLP on July 1, 2024
62% of MLP July 1, 2027
Establish separate tax rates (50% of the statutory tax rate) for ?modified risk? tobacco products
Establish a minimum tax for moist snuff tobacco products:
$1.48 per 1.2-ounce can on January 1, 2021
$1.84 per 1.2-ounce can on July 1, 2024
$2.26 per 1.2-ounce can on July 1, 2027
Create an inventory tax on all stamped cigarettes and unaffixed stamps in a wholesaler or wholesale subcontractor's possession or control at the time of a tax increase occurring after January 1, 2022

With these changes, the minimum price for a 20-pack of cigarettes will be $7 as of January 1, 2021, and $7.50 as of July 1, 2024.

Hmm. I get my nicotine products online from an out of state source. I?ll have to look and see if this gets me around any new state taxes.

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Originally Posted by Gman

I quit smoking in the early '90s. When I heard how much a pack was today, I was like "That's not much less than I paid for a full carton back in the day."

I'm not sure how people can afford that habit.

Then again, I don't understand people that have a $5 per cup Starbucks habit either.

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$5 is pretty low for the coffee places, most I know are dropping closer to $10 on their drink of choice.

Maybe they can afford to smoke as they don?t have an ammo habit like most on this board :)


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Nope. Just placed an order and they tacked on some sort of $10 excise tax. Looked through my order history and this wasn?t charged to me on previous orders.

Oh well. At least my addictive product even with the taxes is only $2.87 a can. Could be worse I guess. And I am always free to quit whenever I want.

I doubt many smokers voted yes on this bill. Non-smokers don't care.

It's simply a poor people tax. Poor people don't have lobbyists. Easy pickins...
I am curious how much better all the roads and schools are now with all the MJ taxes?

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Originally Posted by Irving

I doubt many smokers voted yes on this bill. Non-smokers don't care.

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

It's simply a poor people tax. Poor people don't have lobbyists. Easy pickins...
I am curious how much better all the roads and schools are now with all the MJ taxes?

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I've never smoked and don't like it but I didn't vote for the recent or any tobacco related tax. Same for MJ and alcohol taxes as well as food taxes. All are restrictions on freedom of choice (or necessity with food tax) that tend to prey on the poor or uneducated by elitists who believe they have the right and privilege to take from others to benefit themselves.

I wonder if this applies to nicotine lozenges marketing as quit smoking aids?

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Originally Posted by Hummer

I've never smoked and don't like it but I didn't vote for the recent or any tobacco related tax. Same for MJ and alcohol taxes as well as food taxes. All are restrictions on freedom of choice (or necessity with food tax) that tend to prey on the poor or uneducated by elitists who believe they have the right and privilege to take from others to benefit themselves.

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I vote the same way, as I'm sure many others do, but I'm sure that even more people do not.

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Originally Posted by CS1983

I wonder if this applies to nicotine lozenges marketing as quit smoking aids?

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I am guessing yes. It apparently applies to similar nicotine products. They have basically extended tobacco taxes to non-tobacco products that contain nicotine.

That's one thing I miss about being in the service, being able to buy my smokes on post so they were exempt from state taxes.

My guess is that the pack ranges from $7 to 10 depends on brand name.
$7-10 is just very steep for a pack.

If I am a smoker, I would buy 2 cartons per visit at duty free shop or mexico shop*

*some smokers said that Mexican or any foreign US brand tobacco taste different. ~19 years back ,I once had 1 Marlboro light in Germany and I could not really tell the difference.

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Originally Posted by BladesNBarrels

This will date me.
10 cents a pack on the ship before I quit.
No taxes being in the Navy out of the U.S.
$1.00 per carton, limit 2 cartons per week.
Smoked about two and one half packs a day

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Sounds like when smokes were good for you, your pregnant wife, and baby.

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Originally Posted by brutal

Sounds like when smokes were good for you, your pregnant wife, and baby.

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Like.

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Originally Posted by AirbornePathogen

That's one thing I miss about being in the service, being able to buy my smokes on post so they were exempt from state taxes.

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I remember when I was overseas the guys always chummed up to the new guys when they got there......they had fresh ration cards for smokes and liquor that weren’t filled up yet.
I didn’t drink or smoke so I took many strolls down to the Class 6 on the weekends with guys in the Platoon!

Everyone was a gangsta in the 80s with cigarette.


https://i.imgur.com/idT4f8T.jpg

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Originally Posted by brutal

Sounds like when smokes were good for you, your pregnant wife, and baby.

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Well, at the time, more scientists and educators smoked Kent than any other brand.
My mother's brand, and what I started smoking.
My father smoked Wings during WWII. He quit his first day back and never smoked again.
I quit after seeing my mother get emphysema and having to use oxygen. St. Luke's had a great stop-smoking clinic that included videos of lung surgery.
Yep, scare tactic does work sometimes.

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Originally Posted by JoeRoss

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You know that most people do not actually READ the proposed bill, they just go by what they see on TV.
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Do any legislators read the bills before they vote?
The recent $900 Billion Covid 19 relief bill was 5,593 pages and the Senators had 2 hours to read it before they voted.

[Coffee]

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Originally Posted by BladesNBarrels

Do any legislators read the bills before they vote?

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Health Care: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

I managed to make it through the Active Duty Army without a smoking habit. Very happy I didn't start. I think I have smoked about the equivalent of one cigarette while totally drunk off my ass, including once at 2005 Mardi Gras.

Ask Kazoo if he can get you tax free cigs from the Rez. They used to be tax free there.

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Originally Posted by BladesNBarrels

Do any legislators read the bills before they vote?
The recent $900 Billion Covid 19 relief bill was 5,593 pages and the Senators had 2 hours to read it before they voted.

[Coffee]

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They read the bills on their desk just like we all read terms and conditions when joining a new site. [LOL]

Whoever writes these things would be legend if they just put some catch 22 in there for legislators.

"By voting for this bill, the senate agrees to arbitration of all gun control legislation prior to any vote to be conducted in Baggs Wyoming, only in the month of January and only utilizing an approved arbitrator whose permanent annual residence is in Baggs Wyoming."

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

Whoever writes these things would be legend if they just put some catch 22 in there for legislators.

"By voting for this bill, the senate agrees to arbitration of all gun control legislation prior to any vote to be conducted in Baggs Wyoming, only in the month of January and only utilizing an approved arbitrator whose permanent annual residence is in Baggs Wyoming."

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I'm sure The Drifter's Inn could use the business. The senators could definitely use The Drifter's Inn.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I doubt many smokers voted yes on this bill. Non-smokers don't care.

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I think more non-smokers care more than you might think. I think people should recall the Boston tea party was over a 10% tax on tea. It is flat BS that a tax can be more than the product. I'm often confused as to why weed gets a free pass. Does weed come with cancer warnings? In terms of proportions weed might actually be under taxed. I'm not anti-weed. I have thoughts on it's vilification too. Just saying the tobacco tax is abusive.

Isn't the weed tax also very high? Weed stores still can't even take cards in a conventional manner. They aren't getting off light.

Weed is taxed at 15%.