Anyone care to share their thoughts on this current situation?
Biden says what he says
Nobody knows what the fuck he means
Time to stop eating steak and
Go back to beans
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Anyone care to share their thoughts on this current situation?
Biden says what he says
Nobody knows what the fuck he means
Time to stop eating steak and
Go back to beans
A. War will eventually strengthen our economy
B. We should have withdrawn from NATO decades ago
C. Practice your Cyrillic writing
SF units with a plentiful supply of Javelin and Stinger missiles could wreck havoc against invading forces. Probably too late to stock up and train now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WmDszVxti0
An extended war really benefits nobody. But I could foresee the purpose of the general attack being that it will paralyze Ukraine's military forces by requiring them to disperse all over the country, then Russia comes in and nibbles off the bits it wants.
After that it declares that the breakaway provinces are now part of Russia and it becomes a fait accompli. Putin basically says that he's going to stop his attacks (once he's gotten what he wants) and solidifies his control over the area. Maybe even lets the ethnic Ukrainians leave if they want to.
At that point, the war only continues if the Western nations want it to continue - and I don't see any real appetite for war with Russia anywhere outside of Ukraine.
EDITED TO ADD: This attack then serves several purposes:
First of all, it essentially makes Ukraine Russia's bitch. Even if Ukraine stays independent (I think it will), every Ukrainian leader will know that any time Putin wants a piece of Ukraine, he's going to take it and nobody is going to lift a hand to stop it.
Second, it makes the world know that Putin is willing to use military force to get what he wants, and that he's not afraid of the Crazy Uncle Joe administration. Putin can use that leverage to squeeze concessions out of other countries without having to fire a shot. Putin can get a lot for Russia just by glaring menacingly at other countries because it's not like NATO is going to do anything about it. Could even cause NATO to start to crumble at the edges which further solidifies Putin as the hegemon of Europe.
Finally it makes Putin look like a tough guy at home and burnishes his reputation there.
We need to stay the hell out of it. The US has no claim to being the "good guys" (as if there is such a thing in international politics) in the situation there. All of our attempts at military intervention for the past two decades plus have been abject failures. Time to mind our business.
...But of course we wont. There's no money to be made from minding our business.
So why no sanctions personally on Putin? Biden didn't seem to want anything to do with answering that one.
What would personal sanctions do anyway?
It drives me nuts when I hear people say "The Ukraine".
There is no "the" in front of it. It's akin to saying The Australia or The Peru.
I had a buddy from Kiev and he would correct anyone who said it. At 6'4" and 350 lbs, people listened.
It looks a lot like the Sudetenland in 1938.
Does it drag the entire world into a war again?
Ironically, Poland is once again threatened by a hostile force. What if Putin's forces come into Poland next?
Show me a successful sanction. Buy food as the Ukrainian breadbasket will be disrupted for a while.
Prior to the USSR, Ukraine was part of the greater Russia.
The USA will export more refined fuel and natural gas to eager costumers. US famers will see a better return on selling grain to exporters.
Your food will cost more.
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I’m getting a little bit of joy with each video I see of a Russian helicopter getting shot down or a Russian tank/bmp on fire next to the road.. Hope this whole debacle takes Putin down.
Not 1 drop of American blood should be shed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick-Boy
The Biden admins actions over the last year have facilitated this invasion.
I second Hbar statement, not one drop.
I don't know what to think about the whole Ukraine situation because I flatly don't believe any of the media anymore. At this point I could be standing outside, watching the sun rise and if the media told me the sun was rising I'd assume they were lying.
At least we were able to get some arms to Ukraine. The Javelins have been effective so far.
Russia and China were buying their way with our government to position themselves where they wanted to be. Trump threw a wrench in that for 4 years. Now they're cashing in.
Economic sanctions won't do jack. Remaking the USSR is worth more to them than what the sanctions can take. Sanctions take forever to have an influence and haven't been effective in the past, so why would we think they'll work in the future?
Can't trust NATO to come through. Germany gets half of its natural gas from Russia.
Our leadership (including the MSM) is trying to pass the buck stating that the sanctions won't affect our economy. It's a global economy. It's all BS.
We really haven't had to face the music for the dangers of weak leadership. Those chickens are coming home to roost.
Have to laugh when I hear Biden say that Russia better not try cyberattacks against us. I'm sitting here thinking, you doofus, you gave him a list of our sensitive areas less than a year ago.
The Australia seems like a nice place to visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
Not sure about the Peru.
I still haven?t made it to the Ireland or the Scotland and they?re on my bucket list.
Maidan Square in Kyiv. Live view. Some intel indicating it may get bombed tonight
https://youtu.be/jgL0mA2SeGs
Reporter "what if Putin calls your bluff on the sanctions"
Biden: "it's not a bluff, they're real..."
Reporter "if it's not a bluff, why wait? why not impose them NOW?"
Biden : next question
The only reason Democrats hate Russia and Putin is because the believe the Russia-gate lies and think Putin is pro-Trump.
Ukraine's official Twitter today
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ukraine/s...16168920547331
The most significant thing that will come from this is the fracturing of international alliances. The world basically told Ukraine "here's a few missiles, good luck!"
Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is our fight. But the fact remains, if the international groups just let a country spend months building up their forces on the border of another and then invade, what good are those groups? They're pointless, it's obvious to everyone now and now those groups will disappear.
We spent the last two years under enormous political turmoil worldwide, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. The world has been on edge and now borders are being redrawn. And these are just the first.
Ukraine, front page[s] > Trucker convoy....???
Can't show a country where one way goods get delivered across the nation, questioning the politicians. Who it seems picked a convenient time to start dropping mask mandates.
They were holding fast in their convictions, that mask were Job #1!
Till some uppity canuks literally stopped the economy of cEhnEHdEH and the , ok, what's left of the auto makers in Mi.
Putin is an evil piece of shit that should've received a high velocity third eye years ago. He's old school KGB, believes in the evil empire and shouldn't be sucking air. I agree with HBAR's comment as well especially having a son who just came home from what we hope is the last deployment of his career.
This was my first thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQSmctFqZlI
Even without the subtitles, you get the message.
To go a little deeper...
Lots of truth there. But it may destabilize the region long enough to tie up western forces that could be used if China or Iran decide to follow Putin's example. Furthermore, other nations will see that they will be on their own if it comes to defending themselves. Lastly, if Putin sits tight with just a little piece of Ukraine, he can wait for the west to exhaust itself with these brushfires and go in for the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinjmpr
I sincerely hope the U.S, doesn't get involved.
Agreed. As long as we have Biden, or someone like him in the Oval Office, I see a good chance of American involvement to make it look like we?re doing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
I'm honestly torn. On the one hand, I definitely get the idea of not wanting to shed our blood. On the other, we did promise to defend Ukraine in exchange for their nuclear disarmament. Obama shot that to hell, now Biden's finishing the job. Basically, why would anyone want to give them up now? Why would anyone trust the US anymore?
I do cheer for every Russian loss.
Puddin Joe putting “Sanctions” on Russia is like telling a convict with a 500 year, no parol possible sentence that he just got another 20 years thrown on for having a food fight in the cafeteria.
And we are still buying oil from the Rooskies
Exactly! In the Budapest Memorandum, we made promises. Promises from the United States should mean something. I've come to realize they don't as every single group who has made decisions on those promises have been screwed over. The Hmongs during Vietnam, the Kurds after Desert Storm, The Afghani's and the Iraqi's who agreed to work with our forces; the list can go on and on. Our word as a nation should mean something.Quote:
Originally Posted by RblDiver
Politics are predatory. Russia has been testing the waters to make sure the response would be "nothing", and then attacked. They called our bluff.
What shouldve happened is we shouldve called their bluff. If we had inducted Ukraine into NATO in some emergency session, cleaved off the two separatist regions and let Russia have them, what would be the result? Some sabre rattling, but Russia wont risk a war vs. The world either, they wouldnt survive it. There would've been no war. Instead, Russia is using that principle to its advantage, not us, and nobody will intervene as Russia expands because they dont want a world war.
If it was apparent we would honor our word and our treaties, Russia would not invite its own doom either. An aggressive political posture often leads to more peace.
Outright announcing that you will 100% do nothing, does not. Predators attack prey that poses little to no risk of injury. A coyote wont attack a bull because it is likely to get fatally gored. They coexist peacefully.
And Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
We were net energy exporters just a little over a year ago. This is totally messed up.
NATO is a joke. They should just dissolve it and stop pretending. UN is a joke. Russia is a permanent member of the Security Council and can veto any action (and is currently serving as the president of the panel this month).
We can try and stay out of the fight and take an isolationist path, but if history is any indicator, the fight will still find us.
As to the point of honoring our word, I don't trust us, so I'm shocked any other country would trust us based on our recent actions.
Another note of interest, Russian trolling ops have specifically been trying to get trucker convoys started here. Any coincidence they start right as they invade the Ukraine? So many underestimate the scope of their influence in our social media.
RU is specifically targeting our supply chains. That is one if the easiest ways
Oh, nonsense. You're saying American truckers scheduled this based on when Russians told them to do it? I'm sure the Russians strategic plan certainly included "hey comrades, we should encourage a few dozen American truckers to drive cross country at the same time we invade Ukraine! Yeah, that'll increase our likelihood of total control two fold! It'll crush the Americans!" What an outlandish claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtArt
We don't underestimate their influence, you regularly give them WAY, WAY too much credit for the scope of influence they actually have. With zero evidence. How many of these groups do you actually follow on social media? Are you a member of any of these groups on social media? Are you on social media at all? You've seen sketchy social media accounts making posts in the social media groups egging them on?
There are Americans that have been working to get this going since the beginning of the pandemic. It didn't pick up steam until they saw what happened in Canada. Most of the convoys scheduled it to arrive in DC around the SOTU. Yup, those real Americans organizing these groups, giving radio and TV interviews, standing in front of the crowds at gathering points and giving speeches...they are Russian bots. Gotcha.
The US could just gift Ukraine small portable nuclear weapons. The Russian armored columns heading to the capital city would definitely be halted by this countermeasure. There could be no argument that these nuclear weapons were offensive in nature. They are not ICBM's etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specia...ition_Munition
Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
^^ This^^^
thanks, saved me some typing
Wow. Don't know if ya'll have seen the video of a guy's car getting crushed by some sort of armored vehicle (APC or tank or something), but apparently he lived.
https://notthebee.com/article/watch-...ently-survived
Devil's advocate, but that could be a Ukrainian tank. Everyone seems to say Russian, but there isn't a white line or z on it. Possible that dude just lost control. They were in a firefight st the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by RblDiver
I know nuthin about tanks but that they are cool. But a ex tanker on another board was positive the situation was an out of control left sliding turn and the car was just wrong place wrong time. It is a Ukrainian vehicle but I have heard a variety of stories about who was driving it at the time. Anything from Ukrainians to Russies in stolen uniforms and a stolen tank sent to cause meyhem. Probably never know the truth.
Heard on the radio today that the sanctions do not include energy resources such as oil and natural gas being sold by Russia. Oil and gas can continue to be sold and special payment avenues have been established through the banks since some of the banks are sanctioned. So basically Putin can continue to do business.