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Biden was speaking to the 82nd in Poland and said "you're going to see when you're there, women and young people standing in front of tanks"....
So, does he have plans to send them in?
This guy...
https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/sta...05803443077135
My understanding is that US Special Forces were the ones that trained the Ukraine Armed Forces after the loss of Crimea. That was years ago. And that explains the success against Ivan. I think after the withdrawal of the Rus forces that Special Forces will go in again and do what they do.
But will the Ukrainian women and young people still be standing in front of Russian tanks after Russia withdrawals?Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
I don't know about that. I believe after it is over, the SF will go in and gather data. It is obvious they were there before and will be there again. All this information will be fed into a giant computer and war gamed ad nauseum.
As far as the resolve of the common Ukraine citizen, I have no clue.
I don't think that even Joe knows what the fuck comes out of his mouth.
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Originally Posted by def90
And it's not senility, although he is old.
He was this way since the first time he ran for president what, four decades ago?
I just flew back from France where I spent 2 days volunteering as an interpreter to help the Ukrainian refugees. This was not the plan, I just couldn’t stay on the sidelines when I saw the long lines of refugees. 90% of them are Slavic, roughly 10% are Muslims from the southern part of Ukraine. I saw a few men of military age, they are either unfit for service, or just a like a guy i helped, the only one caring for his childrens after his wife was killed in irpin…. Russians are killing, looting and pretty much carpet bombing anything in sight. People have been shot in their car, their apartment, even the ones displaying a Russian flag on their balcony in Mariupol….
Dont’ trust the US media on anything, this is way worse than what they are showing you. If you want the real news coverage, turn to the BBC, France24 (in English) or DW. Their coverage is spot on and balanced.
I heard from reliable sources that French Legionaires have been given a free pass to go help train and fight over there… They are the perfect soldiers for the job, since most of them potentially carry foreign passports and can offer full deniability in case they get caught….
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
This grifter has been on all sides of every issue since the 70's.
Actually, before that. He was accused of plagiarism several times, including in law school in the 60's.
His lies are well documented and provably false.
He will say and do almost anything to advance his favorite cause- himself.
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Originally Posted by eddiememphis
Accurate. We desperately need to restructure how many potatoes are in office. Good lord.Quote:
Originally Posted by def90
Not all sides. Robert Gates -- who I do NOT respect as I think he was a horrible DCI, terrible SecDef, and obnoxiously bad President of Scouting -- said Biden was on the wrong side of every major national security issue for the last 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
As my daddy would have said, "Biden is as useless as teats on a boar hog".
I wish I'd recorded all my daddy's "sayings", he had some good'uns, timeless and true. One of my faves - "boy, you need that like you need another tit....."
...and the plan up to now was to keep Joe away from any microphones. Unfortunately, he's been promoted to the point that this is no longer possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtArt
Unfortunately, the vapid dolt that is the VP is no better on mike, with her uncomfortable cackle and no idea about anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
He did it again yesterday, saying Putin has got to go which sent his administration and pundits scrambling to explain what he meant.
Remember way back, during the campaign when the left was saying to elect this duo so the adults would be back in charge?
DeSantis '24
I would encourage anyone needing some context to listen to Scott Horton's speech from earlier this month. If you have any patriotism in you, it's going to sting. For those of us that spent a bunch of time in Africa, Iraq, and Afghanistan fighting the GWOT, it has some very tough pills to swallow... But I can't find any *factual* errors... Which makes it bite even deeper.
https://tomwoods.com/ep-2078-russia-...-backgrounder/
Whelp, looks like Ukrainians are now shooting Russian POWs in the legs. https://twitter.com/politblogme/stat...75846384082945
Haven't seen the slanted feed, but I don't doubt the veracity of it. Because I know what war is.
Saying there is an instance or a handful where a Ukrainian defender shot a POW is like saying a river is wet and acting like it's new info.
I suppose Russia should take over the US, because some of our soldiers have done far, far worse before, we better have the commies come in and de-nazify us too.
And we did it while we were INVADING other countries, not DEFENDING ourselves. We did it on occasion, just because, the rare sociopath in the military getting their rocks off, not because we saw our families killed by artillery and indiscriminate rocket fire. At best, we did it because our fellow soldiers had been killed around us. Over there, they've had their fucking infants killed. Neighbors, parents, siblings, spouses killed. That does have a tendency to inspire a level of vindictiveness we can't even begin to fathom, as no US born citizen alive has ever truly experienced this. Russians have not been abiding by Geneva, I can't say I'm all that concerned if they receive a taste of their own.
Ukrainians need a medal for the restraint they've exemplified so far. Fuck pro Russian communist sympathizers, wherever they may be. I was always opposed to McCarthy, but the country has flung so far the other way, and there is a virus spreading in the conservative party consuming soviet propaganda. Maybe he had a small point.
Ukrainians aren't playing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nian-buns.html
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Two Russian soldiers have died and 28 are in hospital after being POISONED by pastry delicacies offered to them by civilians near besieged Kharkiv, according to the Ukraine Ministry of Defence
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It comes after more than 500 Russian troops were hospitalised after drinking poisoned alcohol
Russians are killing people in the village of Bucha who are obviously civilians. Many are shot in the back of their head while their hands are tied. Bodies are just left to rot in the street.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/03/europ...ntl/index.html
More and more EU countries expellingSovietRussian diplomats. The longer this goes on the more isolated and desperate the Russians are going to get. That's not good for anybody. I'm actually concerned now this is going to escalate to the point NATO gets involved.
Well Biden is sure doing his damndest to get us in the fight. Dude needs to close his stupid trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Close his stupid trap? Who? This rocket-surgeon here?Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...k-driver-again
So this one time when I was a kid, I got to go to the cockpit of a plane we were boarding and the pilot gave me a plastic wings pin to wear, so yea I was a pilot but it’s a long story I won’t get into now.
No, no, no. Don't you know, the only U.S. President to run their mouth was that guy Trump? At least, that's what we're repeatedly told.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
President Alzheimer is a diversion. NATO is as fully involved as it can be with it's minimized footprint. World War III is already here. It's down to who will produce the most effective war materials in the shortest amount of time. And, who's ready to recognize and push all the buttons when the time comes. That's beyond what we can control but are you and your family ready?
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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
Did they do it, that's the question.
While i would not put it past them to do so. It seems too convenient, that this happened.
I was a molybdenum miner!
Long Story; I got to ride in the jump seat of a mine dumper truck for a few laps around the inside of Henderson mine.
No doubt on my end that the Russians did it. Fuck Putin and all his supporters, my hate for him/his evil empire knows no bounds. I hope the rumors of him having cancer are true and that he suffers a slow painful death.
United States Space Force received a 40% increase in the budget allocation.
There is a Space Symposium going on at the Broadmoor Hotel right now. They will have some really interesting exhibits on display to the public. If you are interested in space technology, it really is a must see and it is a free admission. Best place to park is in the multistory car park and get a valet in a golf cart to take you the entrance.
https://www.spacesymposium.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9uFNvZ5FqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRC2Tyg0bE
It's consistent with behavior from the Russian Army going back decades and I can't see the Ukrainians doing this to their own people, especially when they are winning the propaganda war without false flag atrocities. Consistent, not convenient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
It is even confirmed with satellite telemetry. The bodies were there with the russians. Russians moved out, bodies photographed correlate with locations on telemetry. But nevertheless, some gravitate towards believing the virtually impossible / fabricate conspiracies instead of having to acknowledge that both sides of the isle could actually agree on something.
T72's going turtle, Chechens yelling "alla snackbar", fine girls with brand new camo on twitter stating "death to orcs", and the PM of Britain walking around Kiev with Zelenskyy waving to people who aren't there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Let us say they are losing the "propaganda" war on twitter, but what are the Russian objectives?
I do not think the Russians are "losing" per say. I think what we "see" says they are, and the majority of Americans do not understand what the Russian objective is...
My $.02
My two cents is this war is for the military-industrial complex to use new weapons and tactics in a real life scenario. Some of the high tech small weapons such as the "Switchblade" are producing impressive results. The latest news is that the Rus are bringing out the "retired reserve" to help replace the conscripted losses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVironment_Switchblade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIMl68s0ps
1. I did say the propaganda war. Propaganda is the ONLY reason to do a false flag operation and just makes no sense in this particular case.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
2. The Russian objective pretty clearly seems to have been to take Kyiv so they could install a new puppet government in roughly 3 days, no more than a week because their logistics only supported 4-5 days of operations. They have pretty clearly failed in that objective.
3. I'm all ears (or eyes since this is a text-based bulletin board) if you have an idea of what a Russian objective might have been that involves losing as many senior commanders and tanks as they have and that stretches combat operations out for over month but still means they are winning. They might still win this out since the Ukrainian reserves must be stretched pretty thin but the very fact that Ukraine is still standing as an independent country at this point in time suggests Russia is losing this big time.
I think Russia achieves its overall strategic objective if Ukraine is beaten bloody to the point where they don't even consider joining NATO and have a more-or-less compliant government that is willing to do Russia's bidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
EDITED TO ADD: And Ukraine's beating down also serves as a warning to any other smaller, vulnerable nations that might want to try and shore up an alliance with NATO. The not-so-subtle message being: You can't count on NATO to save you so you better do what we want. I'm thinking of Moldova and possibly Belarus (although AFAIK Belarus is a near-dictatorship run by a Putin-loving leader, to the extent that Belarusian units have been participating in the Ukraine invasion. But that might not always be the case.)
However I would also say that level of resolve is personal to Putin himself. After he shuffles off this mortal coil, Ukraine could throw its hand in with NATO, on the premise that the new ruler of Russia isn't likely to be as emotionally invested in beating down Ukraine as Putin was.
Continuing my thought: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia - the "Baltic Republics" that were once a very important part of Russia's "buffer" against the West - are now in NATO, as are Poland and Hungary.
So, as much of an asshole as Putin is, he doesn't seem to be willing to cross the NATO line.
"Ukraine's beating down" ???? You mean how he lost about a quarter of his total armored forces and nearly 22,000 troops so far? You say they achieve their strategic objective if Ukraine doesn't even consider joining NATO but they offered that early in the attack and Russia persisted. It's pretty clear to me and others that their strategic objective was to take Kyiv and install a puppet government like they have in Belarus. They have failed to do that despite 2 months of "military action". If you look at the logistics the Russian forces had lined up, they had very clearly thought they'd be in Kyiv in 2-3 days, 5 on the outside.
This "beat down" you reference has Sweden and Switzerland openly and seriously considering joining NATO -- something that wasn't even a theoretical possibility 3 months ago.
It's one thing to question how much risk or expense America should take in supporting Ukraine. The fact they are even raising the threat of nuclear weapons shows how desperate they are regardless of whether you take their threat seriously. It's a whole other thing (and frankly delusional in my opinion) to claim the Russians aren't losing given the losses they have suffered so far.
I like those observations. That would be logical, most likely, and what someone of sound mind would conclude.
But as the saying goes, find all possibilities, eliminate the most likely, and what remains utterly impossible is probably true. So, it's probably Pfizer that started the war, honestly. To distract everyone from bad press so they won't notice the next vaccine they are delivering has a chip that'll send everyone's thoughts to Google for improved product ads.
It's not like the Russians have been trying to cram propaganda down captured Ukrainians gullets to the effect that "Ukraine never existed, it was always Russia". And it's not like they have plans to take over Maldova. We don't know what they are doing, the Russians probably have the worlds best interests at heart and simply want to kill Nazi's and bring the world into balance out of the goodness of their little, blessed, commie hearts.