Press release and link to rules within this link:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...s-used-convert
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...ilizing-braces
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Press release and link to rules within this link:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...s-used-convert
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...ilizing-braces
So free SBR tax stamps?
Gotta read the Fine print. Anyone who avails themselves of the Free SBR Tax Stamps gets to Federally register their property, restriction of travel rights, and they get to be called a Giant Pussy for the rest of their life by those who refuse to comply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
It looks like it means free sbr stamps. But it also reads that you can still have a pistol brace on a pistol So, I'm going to wait and let the legal teams and gun dealers figure out what the fuck it all means. Then I will decide what to do. If anything. Bowers posted it on facebook a little bit ago and they said they are trying to figure out what it all means. He also posted a link to the 245 page document.
Surprised they released this now with the bumpstock rule getting slapped down... I can't see any way this isn't reversed with the exact same ruling...
Rules? Rules are not laws.
Let?s hope they keep giving themselves enough rope to hang themselves with.Quote:
Originally Posted by DenverGP
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Originally Posted by Joe_K
I already have multiple SBRs and no AR pistols. I'm aware of the rules and don't give a rat's ass about your opinion.
I've wanted to SBR mine anyways so apparently I may save 200 bucks.
So, who offers this service?
I am ok with a free SBR (ATF already knows me), but I would like to simplify the process, kind of like when I got my suppressor through Silencer shop, but they no longer offer the Form 1 service...
Attachment 92611Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
Order copies of your fingerprints from Silencershop. Get a digital photo headshot. Create an account with ATF online at their sire. Create an eFile Form 1. Attach photo. Press submit. Mail in fingerprints.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavite1
A friend of mine is developing an application to assist in creating the Form 1, including the RPQ portion.
I don't know how many will comply but even if it's a small percentage this will backlog nfa approval rates significantly more.
.Attachment 92619Quote:
Originally Posted by banks74
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Pretty reasonable take on it IMO, I think taking some time and making a rational and measured decision would be prudent. I would approach the “Free Registration” with extreme skepticism.
https://youtu.be/-uJLBvgUtPQ
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Joe_K
Does the atf have the power to waive the fees set by the nfa?
They already have a registry of gun sales since the background check form is not destroyed after approval and that FFLs maintain a log book.
Even if the background check doesn't send the serial number or model numbers, they know each background check was for at least 1 firearm.
I am hoping for total defeat of anti 2A laws in the next few years. End the GCA, NFA, Hughes & Brady.
Do they have the power make or change laws?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
I have some that I was going to SBR anyway. May as well file if they can actually waive the tax. Gotta get the short 308 running.
As it is illegal to be in possession of NFA items before the approval...what is the odds that any of these will be approved before that 120 day limit runs out? They cannot handle the normal cue in a timely manner. What will adding an additional 50k...100k...500k applications do?Quote:
Originally Posted by banks74
What about AR pistols with just buffer tubes instead of braces?
Run away from a free SBR stamp so fast it makes your head hurt.
Seriously. Just dont do it.
The cheese in the mousetrap is always free...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
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Curious behind the reason here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
Disclaimer: I do not currently have any braces, but have some stuff to SBR
Government, specifically ATF, has a poor record of standing behind their decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
I mean, what are they gonna do? I have a lower without a serial number, so I just pencil in a model and 69-420 as the serial. The lower isn't engraved yet, so.....Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
Knock, knock, knock...Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
I don't have a dog to shoot, oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiememphis
I have a hobby, and my hobby involves spending more money on tooling than simply buying an AR off the shelf. So be it.
Most of my glocks don't have serials either.
Edit: I'd consider a stamp for a 3d printed receiver or frame if it was free. Just sayin'
Kinda my thought. However now it?s a principle thing?.. gonna wait and see how it plays out I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkless
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Does the ATF how the power do half the things they do? They seem to think soQuote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
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Power or not. One forgets with (what's the number?) 87K irs "agents" roaming the hallways of America. You get popped for failing to pay the tax, then the nfa penalties .Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8n4MfhjUc
What are the travel rules for an SBR? I like a pistol as a truck gun, can keep it loaded legally in my vehicle in all the states I travel to. I know I can not travel with a loaded rifle in the cab in many states.
In CO, the law is the same as a rifle. Can't keep it "loaded" because of poaching laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by esaabye
With a SBR, interstate travel requires ATF notification and approval.
But...a braced pistol...at least for now...is legal to have loaded. I really do not want that to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
Well FAQ clearly states that ATF doesn't regulate accessories.
Possession of an uninstalled brace is not illegal or regulated.
So for now this is it, hoping the courts overturn this bullshit.
Store your braces in a different location than the firearms, to make it harder being charged with constructive intent.
Learn to use sling and buffer tube...Attachment 92646
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Massive participation of peaceful non compliance is the way forward, combined with massive legal pushbacks. And mutual defense, (nothing off the table here), of anyone they attempt to use as an example.
No more Ruby Ridges.
No more Wacos.
We must all hang together or we will surely hang separately.
Until then, I will unilaterally declare and defend my Independence from an offensive strategy until I am dead.