SGAMMO canceling orders for 7.62x39mm and .50 BMG in TX border country

From another forum...

We are no longer servicing South Texas with 7.62x39 or 50 BMG due to a high rate of criminal purchasing of our goods. Unfortunately, a large percentage of the purchases there recently has been done by cartel smugglers buying stuff and having it shuttled to Mexico and it's putting us in a risky place with the law. We've had to deal with countless federal investigations on clients in the area recently and we just don't want to be a part of it anymore.

Thank you,

Mitchell

SGAmmo

From: sales@sgammo.com <sales@sgammo.com>

Thoughts? Have any of your folks bought from them in the past? They generally have a positive reputation amongst shooters. I didn't see notice of this restriction on their website, but maybe it pops-up based on cart contents and shipping zip code.

I'd say it might make sense for not allowing it for new accounts in the area. I don't see the point for old accounts with regular buying patterns (guy that buys 100 7.62 and a 100 30-06 a year).

Hopefully they dont sell ammo to the AFT, those guys love to send guns and ammo to Cartels.

Good for them.

If they think they are supplying the enemy with ammo, it is great that they attempt to limit access.

This should not apply to anyone who has been a customer for many years... although it probably does.

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Originally Posted by Clint45

This should not apply to anyone who has been a customer for many years... although it probably does.

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I disagree.

Maybe their best and most loyal customers are cartel shitbags- thus the "countless federal investigations".

I’d like to know how they discerned it was from buyers in South TX? If they know that, hopefully they know who and the investigation of those smugglers is already underway…. If they don’t know who, could it not also be cartel related personnel in NM, AZ or CA? Is it just a very isolated region/location inside Mexico where their ammo has been found?

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Originally Posted by Sawin

I’d like to know how they discerned it was from buyers in South TX? If they know that, hopefully they know who and the investigation of those smugglers is already underway…. If they don’t know who, could it not also be cartel related personnel in NM, AZ or CA? Is it just a very isolated region/location inside Mexico where their ammo has been found?

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The ATF budget is 1.5 billion.
Border Patrol Budget is 16 billion.

They have the resources to trace on-line ammo sales.

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Originally Posted by Sawin

I?d like to know how they discerned it was from buyers in South TX? If they know that, hopefully they know who and the investigation of those smugglers is already underway?. If they don?t know who, could it not also be cartel related personnel in NM, AZ or CA? Is it just a very isolated region/location inside Mexico where their ammo has been found?

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The article qouted them as saying............ ".....We've had to deal with countless federal investigations on clients in the area recently ................"
So the Feds are or have been approaching them requesting information about Customers in that "area" (South Texas)........................
Clearly the "Feds" are conducting investigations and that brings them to SG Ammo and their accounts.


OP:
I've been a customer for years now. Great service and pretty good prices.
But I'm not under any Federal investigations........... that I know of. ;)

I have purchased from them. Great service. I'm glad they are being responsible although I feel for the likewise responsible shooters in the area. On the other hand, if SGA cuts the cartels out of the equation, it should mean a lot more ammunition for the rest of us.

Seems to me that the cartel are smart enough to spread their purchases out to other areas and simply have it driven to any area of their liking.

It's no different than Colorado not allowing sells of 30 Rd magazine, as if that keeps me from buying some where else and bringing them home, not that I do that, but sure could if I wanted to

Sam is always puling some kind of scam with his emails. Over at the AKFiles there are tons of threads on Sams latest reason why ammo is going to get more expensive and that imports are about to get cut off at any moment. He has been know to cancel orders claiming to have run out of ammo only to put the same ammo back up for sale online a week later at a newer higher price. I don’t know why people still buy from the guy.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama

I'm glad they are being responsible ....

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I doubt that has anything to do with the decision. Based on the statement, as it reads, SGAmmo is tired of expending resources answering the questions of fed investigators and is simply not doing business in an area that is causing headaches. While we would like to think such a move is based on being ethically upstanding, SGAmmo really has no obligation to change distribution patterns simply because a bad element in an area is "misusing" the product. Having to endure the microscope of a deep pocket government agency gets old real quick.

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Originally Posted by def90

Sam is always puling some kind of scam with his emails. Over at the AKFiles there are tons of threads on Sams latest reason why ammo is going to get more expensive and that imports are about to get cut off at any moment. He has been know to cancel orders claiming to have run out of ammo only to put the same ammo back up for sale online a week later at a newer higher price. I don?t know why people still buy from the guy.

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Interesting- I got the feeling their reputation was more solid based on the exposure I had seen online.

It's a free country. Sort of...

SG ammo is free to implement whatever legal policy they'd like in terms of selling their product. We're all free to be OK with that policy or not be OK with it and spend our money elsewhere.

OP:
I've had good deals with him and what I've read is has a good reputation.
He isn't always the cheapest but what I've found is you have to look at the shipping costs. I've found cheaper ammo but only to have the S/H make more expensive than him.
So buyer beware..............

I'm going to "throw some flags on the field" here:

@def: Yes, if you get his flyers, they all start with a paragraph of his "talks." For example the latest was what he found out at the SHOT Show. Good/Bad thats his "thing."
But I'm not there looking at his commentary, I'm buying ammo. And he has good deals at good shipping.......... usually.
The whole.......... he cancels orders and reprices the ammo thing...... I'm sorry, I doubt that.

@clodhopper:
".......SGAmmo really has no obligation to change distribution patterns simply because a bad element in an area is "misusing" the product.
THAT RIGHT THERE........is how most every lawsuit starts.
The irony to your comments is right now, for the first time that I'm aware of, the anti-gunners are going after an ammunition manufacturer- Lake City.
For decades they have gone after the firearms manufacturers........ and now they have started with the ammo manufacturers.
I don't know what the "real" reasons for SG ammo's decisions are............. but I do know that your quote above is precisely why he would've been truly stupid not to do something about this problem.

Ukraine just got 50 billion Euros. Lost sales will be sent to the war. Better there than here.

Disclaimer: I maybe wrong.

I love SG Ammo, have been buying from them for like a decade.

If they need to stop shipping to south Texas to stay clear of the law, so be it.

PS - I know that it can, and probably will, spread to other states. If it starts to spread and appear like it's more the feds putting pressure on them in the hopes they sell less ammo everywhere, then we have an issue.

I will believe the story when I see it posted on Sgammo's website. Currently the only thing on their site is the California stuff.