Definitely includes firearms and ammo, it also says ?firearms precursor part?, so what does it actually cover?
Magazines?
Optics?
Stocks?
Grips?
Suppressors?
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Definitely includes firearms and ammo, it also says ?firearms precursor part?, so what does it actually cover?
Magazines?
Optics?
Stocks?
Grips?
Suppressors?
Had to go to the California law to get a definition with authority.
(a) "Firearm precursor part" means any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled or converted to be used as the frame or receiver of a functional firearm, or that is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as the frame or receiver of a functional firearm once completed, assembled or converted.
(b) The Department of Justice, consistent with this section, shall provide written guidance and pictorial diagrams demonstrating examples of firearm precursor parts.
(c) Firearm parts that can only be used on antique firearms, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 16170, are not firearm precursor parts.
Cal. Pen. Code ? 16531
https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defau...349_signed.pdf
From the Colorado Law-
(7) "FIREARM PRECURSOR PART" OR "GUN PRECURSOR PART" MEANS:
(a) AN UNFINISHED FRAME OR RECEIVER AS DEFINED IN SECTION
18-12-101 (1)(1);
(b) A FIRE CONTROL COMPONENT AS DEFINED IN SECTION 18-12-101
(1)(c.3);
(c) A DEVICE MARKETED OR SOLD TO THE PUBLIC THAT IS DESIGNED
OR ADAPTED TO BE INSERTED INTO, AFFIXED ONTO, OR USED IN CONJUNCTION
WITH A FIREARM IF THE DEVICE IS:
(I) REASONABLY DESIGNED OR INTENDED TO BE USED TO INCREASE
A FIREARM'S RATE OF FIRE, CONCEALABILITY, MAGAZINE CAPACITY, OR
DESTRUCTIVE CAPACITY; OR
(II) REASONABLY DESIGNED OR INTENDED TO BE USED TO INCREASE
A FIREARM'S STABILITY AND HANDLING WHEN THE FIREARM IS REPEATEDLY
FIRED; OR
(d) ANY MACHINE OR DEVICE THAT IS MARKETED OR SOLD TO THE
PUBLIC THAT IS REASONABLY DESIGNED OR INTENDED TO BE USED TO
MANUFACTURE OR PRODUCE A FIREARM.
(2) THE BURDEN OF PROVING THAT A SALE OF A FIREARM, FIREARM
PRECURSOR PART, OR AMMUNITION IS NOT SUBJECT TO OR IS EXEMPT FROM
THE EXCISE TAX, OR THAT A VENDOR IS NOT DOING BUSINESS IN THIS STATE,
AS DEFINED IN SECTION 39-37-103 (3), OR IS OTHERWISE NOT REQUIRED TO
MAKE A RETURN OR TO REMIT TAX PURSUANT TO THIS ARTICLE 37, SHALL BE
ON THE VENDOR UNDER SUCH REASONABLE REQUIREMENTS OF PROOF AS THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MAY PRESCRIBE BY RULE.
Magazines?- Yes (I)
Optics?- Maybe (I)- Increase Destructive Capacity
Stocks?- Yes (II)
Grips?- Yes (II)
Suppressors?- Yes (I)- concealability
If a dealer does not charge the tax, it is up to them to take on the government to argue why not.
(I) REASONABLY DESIGNED OR INTENDED TO BE USED TO INCREASE A FIREARM'S RATE OF FIRE, CONCEALABILITY, MAGAZINE CAPACITY, OR DESTRUCTIVE CAPACITY;
Wish we could use the CA definition.
"The government you elect is the government you deserve." Thomas Jefferson
Unfortunately, we are the minority is CO.
From the Department of Revenue Website:
https://tax.colorado.gov/firearms-ammunition-faqs
If it is a firearm, connects to a firearm, or used to work on a firearm, it will be taxed.
Ask me how you can save $$ on your next purchase. Operators are standing by.
Para espaol, presiona 2.
Preguntame como puedes ahorrar dinero en tu proxima compra. Hay operadores disponibles.
Looks like Aim Surplus is charging KK tax on gun parts.
This also applies to ammo and reloading components.
MidwayUSA has the tax on their website in checkout broken out into its own category. Didn?t apply when I added a scope and mount to the cart.
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Man, you know you're fucked when you wish you could follow any of california's gun laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
Isn't this an 'Ink Tax"?
Sounds like some members of congress are gonna try to put a stop to these sorts of taxes:
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...xes-guns-ammo/
No surprise here, I'm just unofficially tracking which web-based companies are charging the new tax and which ones aren't, and PSA is.Attachment 98550
APEX Gun Parts is charging the Colorado excise tax, it is the law and we have been thru more than one audit by our Colorado state officials in our 20 years being in businessQuote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
The reason you won't see it (yet) on the your invoice is that our service provider (AVALARA) has failed to make it work on our web site!
Even with 2 months of notice!
So, we are paying the excise tax on your purchases out of our own "pockets".
SARCO is in the same boat as us, and is also paying the excise tax on Colorado residents purchases out of "pocket".
Richard
@APEXgunparts:
As I read it, and maybe it changed from that time, but it exempted Police and Military from the tax.
So if I show you my CAC card is that acceptable for orders? or?
We are in an active conversation with the Colorado state tax office about this new tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar77
They provided what they felt was guidance as to what articles we are required to collect tax on.
We are working with that and so far have over 4000 SKU's that require the excise tax to be collected from Colorado customers.
Our understanding on Police and Military customers is organizational purchases are exempt, just as wholesale purchases from other businesses are.
The contact with the state tax office is on going, I am sure they have specific guidance about Police and Military purchases.
If/ when AVALARA gets their software configured, then we have to upload credentials to that system for any exception to occur, it is out of our hands.
Richard
Sir:Quote:
Originally Posted by APEXgunparts
I appreciate your input.
We can all agree none of us (well 75% of us) didn't ask for this and you are truly stuck as a Colorado business to comply.
Of course, I am Military so as this works out, I'll see if its the "show the CAC card deal" or not.
Well, here is the answer for "Police" and "Military" seeking exemption from the excise tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar77
There is a form to be filled out and left with the retailer, as they need this for their records to prove why the tax was not collected.
The new Colorado FDD is tied to the department of revenue and so they will be checking for this excise tax collection as part of their gun dealer inspect job and failure in that area will get your FFL pulled.
Here is a copy of the form required for exemption of Police or Military sales ( DR 7612 )
As you can see the exemption is not really for purchases by individual members.
Richard
Attachment 98560
Attachment 98561
After reviewing the form, I would disagree. In my interpretation (I know, worthless), Sections 1, 2, 3 or 4, and 5 need completed. I suppose interpretation could be left up to the retailer. I'm sure someone at Dept. of Revenue could provide clarification. Not an unreasonable question.Quote:
Originally Posted by APEXgunparts
Gotta admit... Colorado... pretty awesome.Attachment 98562
As much as this sucks, there are still ways to avoid it. But it depends on what you're buying. The big name websites, like Brownells and Midway and everything similar, you won't be able to avoid it. You WILL still be able to avoid it with smaller "mom n' pop" style shops out-of-state. Just like before, you won't just avoid the new 6.5% excise tax but you'll also avoid any state sales tax altogether. So essentially you'll just pay item cost + shipping, as it should be, as it was before the SD v. Wayfair bullshit. The rub is that you can really only online shop at the small out-of-state stores from here on out. They don't do enough in sales to CO in any given year, so they can avoid charging the tax, which benefits you as a buyer. The big problem there is that these smaller stores rarely have the best pricing on the front end, and if you're shopping for a big parts order it's essentially a no-go since its not worth the hassle and shipping costs of shopping from multiple small vendors. If you're looking to buy a specific gun your best bet will be to check gunbroker, find a small out-of-state seller with a reasonable price, and call/email them directly outside of the gunbroker ecosystem. Place the order with them directly and you can avoid all the taxes, and they may even offer you a better base price since the dealer can avoid all the gunbroker fees and hassle. You just have to ask nicely, in fact don't even say the word gunbroker.
This should also lead, in theory anyway, to a better second-hand and private seller market, such as our forums here. No tax on private sales so long as there's no licensed reseller involved.
Now if the ammo ID bill ends up getting signed, that will be a true game changer. We'll basically be stuck with private party FTF deals as the only option to avoid the BS.
For those of you that might actually need Form DR 7612, here's a link to the seven page (you know, government efficiency and all that) PDF itself so you can print it:
https://tax.colorado.gov/sites/tax/f...R7612_2025.pdf
O2
Was just talking to my father. He was at the Peterson AFB BX today and he indicated that the BX wont be charging the 6.5%.
Another benefit to the BX is also no sales tax.
Cool how CO DoR identifies retired LE as exempt from the 6.5% BS tax… DR7612, bottom of page 1.
I came here to post about this after stopping by a large retailer near me............ There are several exemptions for either individual Military members or Police.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
You have to read it in its entirety but yes........... it's tedious and paperwork filled.
Of course whether a company wants to do it etc......... is up to them.
The link O2 provided has the clear details on how to fill it out as an Individual Service Member or Police.
Another divide and conquer.
Here at Silverbullet we are forced , of course, to charge the stupid tax, but decided to give a 6.5% discount on ammo prices because, you know, fuck them!