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Here is a video of a guy encountering police while he is open carrying. The guy taking the video seems like kind of a dumbass so far though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWhsF...layer_embedded
Just finished the video. It is extremely irritating when people won't give info to the police, then turn around and demand the same info from them.
The guy filming was a douche. He was completely in the right, but he could have handled the whole situation much better. Crying "am I being detained" over and over was just dumb. (even though it was a good question)
the cop didn't do anything blatantly wrong, he asked for the guy's id and the guy declined to give it, so the officer went on about his business.
well, actually he beat feet outta there.
I guess a black man lawfully carrying a handgun (like the officer does every day) makes things just a little to uncomfortable.
Yeah, I wouldn't even have put that video up on youtube, it's not like the cop drew down on him or anything. "Am I being detained?" is usually a great question to ask, but not when the cops aren't even holding you any where.
I have always had great interactions with law enforcement and come from an LE and Mil family. In this case it is obvious that the LEO didn't know the law and didn't know how to act, especially when antagonized by the videographer.
LEOs should know the statutes and laws for their jurisdiction and should not hassle law abiding citizens who are carrying legally, open or concealed. It was obvious the guy with the camera knew the law better than the guy paid to enforce it, which is unfortunate.
You wouldn't believe how many LEOs in Colorado are completely unaware that you can lawfully carry a concealed weapon in your car while traveling without a CCW permit...
Cameron
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Originally Posted by Cameron
I would, I've asked a bunch of them and a solid 4 out of 5 always give me completely incorrect, total bullshit answers.
The guy with the camera was a bit obnoxious but was completely in the right. It was a real treat to watch a cop that was so used to having people obey his commands not get that.
Hopefully he learned from this encounter and will handle himself in a different manner.
Also, I'm thinking that the police have the right to ask for ID though right? I mean, it doesn't matter if he was driving or not, because even though the officer asked for his driver's license, he wasn't asking to make sure he was legal to drive, but because it is the most common form of ID that people carry.
I don't believe it is required to show ID unless you are operating a vehicle or some other function that requires one. Walking down the street or video taping a police officer on public property is not grounds for showing ID. Showing his ID was completley voluntary and not required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
There may be some states or municipalities that require it but I believe the camera guy was in the right.
Have you seen the video where the guy is filming cops and they just tazer him and he falls off of like a 10 foot wall?
No, but I'd like to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
I'm pretty sure it was in the "The Largest Gang in America" video on youtube. It is basically an hour long video of the cops doing shitty things. I really makes your blood boil. I think the video got broken up into 6 ten minute sections, but here is the first one and I think where the scene I was talking about happened. I could only stomach a few minutes of the video though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH9k8L3oDa4
I might be completely incorrect .........BUT......
It was My Understanding that colorado law requires you to have ID with you at all times and you are required to show that ID at anytime an LEO asks for it
Again I could be COMPLETELY wrong... but that is my understanding .
I don't think that is necessarily true. Like if I go running, I don't carry my DL and too bad if anyone wants to see it because I left it at home.
Depends on what state you are in, laws vary. In some states, you are required to provide identification on request, alternately, they can "escort" you to the police station to establish your identity.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
total bullshit in a supposedly free country, but reality in ours.
I read on one of those "know your rights" type places (so you know it's true) that you're required to "disclose your identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place"
Lot of wiggle room there, in my opinion. How far does "disclose identity" go? Is "my name is ___" sufficient?
What's "reasonable suspicion"? If the cop believes it's illegal to open carry, even when it's not, they could honestly say they had reasonable suspicion that a criminal activity was taking place.
However, I couldn't make it past about 40 seconds of the video. Obnoxious snot with a camera and a cop that didn't like the idea of a subject recording him. But like I said, I didn't watch the whole thing
You didn't miss much. I posted it before I had seen more than 40 seconds of it.
I found that very interesting.
The police immediately fall back into their routine, let me see your permit, let me see your license, let me see something dammit! The camera man has more courage than I, walking up to a policeman with a gun showing, yikes! Got to give some credit to the policeman, he composed himself and didn't escalate the situation. I got to think a lot of policeman would not let the gun carrier get off without taking him in.
Colorado has a stop and identify law, but North Carolina (where the vid was shot) does not.
He was completely in the right in his state, in CO he could have been arrested. A guy in NV fought a similar law all the way to the supreme court and lost.
in the video you see the officer get his phone, and can practically hear the cogs turning as he decides what to do. he eventually realizes the guy is in the right and leaves.
the police always want to be the only ones around with the guns, because (starship troopers!) that's where their authority ultimately resides. Their fear is not unfounded, as the uniform makes them a target. They have a risky job and really put themselves out there, and want to be as safe as they can.
But some really dumb shit has been done in the name of officer safety.
Hopefully both of them do better next time
What would he have been arrested for in Colorado? Refusal to identify himself?
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Originally Posted by Stuart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes
read near the bottom ( before all the citations) about how colorado's is " harsher" then other states and seems to confirm my belief that you have to produce ID on demand .
So it looks like you don't have to carry your id, but you do have to provide information. I can't imagine that there will ever be a law that requires you to carry id as long as there are minors and people who aren't allowed to drive in this world.
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I just watched 5 of the 6 videos, with the under cover videos of people asking to get a form to make a complaint.... amazing.
Cameron
I only watched some of the first one because it made me angry and I didn't want to spend a whole hour being furious. Anything I should check out or should I just pretend that doesn't exist?
So what is the deal with people asking for forms? Do they get shit at the desk or something?
That second vid is infuriating. Makes me hate cops. Its unfortunete
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Originally Posted by Stuart
it was undercover investigative reporting.
basically several times the person that went into a precinct to inquire about how to file a grievance with an officer ended up getting arrested for suspicious behavior.
there's a lot in those videos for leo's here to categorize as "anti cop propaganda" to file under "ignore outright"
I was waiting to see the dashcam video of the state trooper putting down a family's dog with his shotgun because he felt threatened.
arguing about that one was one of the stepping stones that got me banned from coptalk.
Show me your ID?
Like "Show me your papers"?
C'mon guys, that cop was way out of bounds.