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I am looking for a One Day Clinic on range estimation and use of a MilDot Scope. I am looking to start shooting some of the longer range matches like the Safari Steel and have never trained on the MilDot system. There are potencially 3 of us looking to attend.
PM me here on this Forum.
Me too I want some info
I guess it would be nice to know how to "really" use one... I'd be interested too (if it doens't cost a lot... I'm POOR! HAHA)
I just use the "drop" system...
Try looking here. http://www.mildot.com/
Most people use a laser rangefinder and then just dial up the correct amount of clicks instead of holding over.
At our monthly sniper matches I dont go more than 11-12 clicks from a 200 yard target to a 425 yard target.
Thanks Hoser, I'll hit up that site. I will say though, I don't really want to buy a lazer rangefinder, I'd like to know the manual way. I downloaded some software for MilDot ranging and can use that to figure it out. But I would rather lay out on the range with my weapon and perform ranging calculations under the tutaledge of a MilDot Master! Grasshopper needs that personal attention and practice using my scope and gear setup.
I just assembled a Remington 700 VTR in .308 with Burris tactical bases and Burris Extreme Tactical rings, and topped it off with a Millet 4x16 Tactical scope with illuminated reticle. I want to learn how to run that gun as hard as it is capable of. My thoughts are it should be a real good sub-600 yard shooter. At least for me. All my current training has been 300 and under (ARMY). The only real distance shooting I have done was as a M249 SAW gunner in the 101st. I engaged out to 1000, but that was using bracketing techniques.
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George who teaches this class has competed at the Safari as well as the monthly steel match at Raton and does very well I might add. The range experience alone is worth the cost of admission. George will get you spooled up for the competitions you are looking to get in to.
I'd love to see a short weekend beginner's class somewhere along the front range, a 3-day class 300 miles away is nuts. Gotta learn to crawl before entering a marathon :)
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Originally Posted by Roostn
Reticule ranging is a legacy skill that has been overtaken by technology decades ago . The military teaches it still for tactical situations that a laser is not fesable .
As a 5 year veteran of the Steel Safari match I can tell You that using the reticule to range the targets is going to be a serious disadvantage and not help at all .
Spend Your money on a good range finder and spend Your time shooting and learning to dope the wind , a MUCH more important skill .
Come out and shoot the Pueblo , much harder than they sound , and the Raton Sporting Rifle Match , designed to practice for Steel Safari , matches . The trigger time will be more benificial than wasting time learning to range with the reticule .
Long range Shooting / Training by it's nature takes space to conduct . The only range , CRC , with 1K yards that I'm aware of has matches and events on the weekends the prevent its use . This leaves the Wittington center , 3 hours south in Raton and Camp Guernsey 3 hours north in Wyoming . Of these two the Gurnsey facility is the better choice as there is almost no restrictions what can be done there .Quote:
Originally Posted by XJ
I helped instruct the class up there this week and the first part was conducted on a 1K yd KD range to confirm data and the balance was conducted on UKD ranges with targets out to 2500 + yds . There is no place on the front range where this can be done .
The schools that teach this kind of shooting are all out of state , Texas , Arizona , Oregon , Oklahoma , Etc. , and there shortest class is 4 days and 1000 - 1500 $ with the added expenses of travel , lodging , and meals and 15 - 20 hours of travel time . The PRW class in the link is 650 $ and includes room and board which makes this very affordable .
The long range game is by no stretch of the imagination cheap and good training is well worth the money. The learning curve as to what does and does not work is quite steep and expensive going to training can drastically shorten this learning process .
Class recap n pics are up boys.....at least while my hosting lasts :)
http://www.shooterready.com/lrs.html
Try this out. Not a complete course, but good for practice.
use the arrow keys...Quote:
Originally Posted by waxthis
Thanx 68 Charger, I figured it out so I deleted my post..Very cool software!Quote:
Originally Posted by 68Charger
Talk to Firemoth aka "Rob" at Bowers Tactical.
So did you ever get someone to show you how to use mil-dots to range things or did you break down and get a rangefinder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roostn
Are we going to see you at the Steel Safari next weekend? C Ward, Butterpants and I will be there.
The 2010 Steel Safari has been full since mid January. Reading the prior year match reports would indicate that mil ranging at both the Steel Safari and the Sporting Rifle Match is unnecessary and in the former case likely to cause you to time out on every stage, or miss virtually every target because the target sizes are not known by the shooter.
Mil ranging is a good thing to know how to do; however, if you spend just a few minutes using google you can find tutorials on how to mil stuff.
On the other stuff, here you go
http://demigodllc.com/photo/CGMG-200...0_3368_img.jpg
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article | Practical Long-Range Rifle Shooting, Part II - Optics http://demigodllc.com/icon/extwh3.png
http://demigodllc.com/photo/TRG42AWS...0_4594_img.jpg
article | Practical Long-Range Rifle Shooting, Part III - Shooting http://demigodllc.com/icon/extwh3.png
Missed you this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roostn
Hoser rocked it. Great shooting Tom. Hell of a nice guy to hang out with as well.
I had a great time hanging out with you guys as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoWyo
You and George also did very well. Although George still cant beat Dowd...
Its nice to go to a match and be Joe Shit the Nobody Shooter.
I made a bunch of newbie mistakes. Hopefully I wont make the same ones next year.