Reports are of the FBI launching raids across the country against militias. Started last night in Michican, and so far similar raids have occured in
Oklahoma
Ohio
Michigan
Illinois
Colorado
Alabama
Indiana
and
North Carolina
Keep an ear out.
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Reports are of the FBI launching raids across the country against militias. Started last night in Michican, and so far similar raids have occured in
Oklahoma
Ohio
Michigan
Illinois
Colorado
Alabama
Indiana
and
North Carolina
Keep an ear out.
Where does the info originate?
Im to lazy to look at the links, so are they even close to being justified raids?[Bang]
I found news about arrests in Michigan and Indiana, but not the other states from OP. So far the only thing I can find for the arrests was they were selling pipe bombs.
What's the OP's source?
Are these the same "militas" that were in trouble a couple of years ago?
The Michigan Militia, raided last night, was in the news recently for helping the local PD search for a couple missing townsfolk.
Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group
Jennifer Chambers / The Detroit News
At least seven people, including some from Michigan, have been arrested in raids by a FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana as part of an investigation into an Adrian-based Christian militia group, a person familiar with the matter said.
The suspects are expected to make an initial appearance in U.S. District Court in Detroit on Monday.
On Sunday, a source close to the investigation in Washington, D.C. confirmed that FBI agents were conducting activities in Washtenaw and Lenawee counties over the weekend in connection to Hutaree, a Christian militia group. Detroit FBI Special Agent Sandra Berchtold told The Detroit News the federal warrants in the case are under court seal and declined further comment.
Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.
WXYZ-TV reports that helicopters were spotted in the sky for much of Saturday night, and agents set up checkpoints throughout the area. Witnesses told the station that it was like a small army had descended on the area. The Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are also involved in the raids.
Mike Lackomar, of Michiganmilitia.com, said both The Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia and the Michiganmilitia.com were not a part of the raid.
Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.
"Last night and into today the FBI conducted a raid against homes belonging to the Hutaree. They are a religious cult. They are not part of our militia community," he said.
Lackomar said he was told there were five arrests Saturday and another five early Sunday. The FBI declined to comment.
One of the Hutaree members called a Michigan militia leader for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member -- who is of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats -- declined to offer help. That Michigan militia leader is now working with federal officials to provide information on the Hutaree member for the investigation, Lackomar said Sunday.
"They are more of survivalist group and in an emergency they withdraw and stand their ground. They are actively training to be alongside Jesus," he said.
Sources from the Michigan militia community said one of the FBI raids took place Saturday during a wake for a Hutaree member who had died of natural causes. A Hutaree leader was arrested during the wake while at the same time agents were conducting raids at other locations.
The Associated Press is reporting that FBI spokesman Scott Wilson in Cleveland said agents arrested two people Saturday in northwest Ohio. A third arrest was made in Illinois on Sunday, a day after raids in northwest Indiana.
Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on Islamic-American Relations of Michigan, made an announcement Sunday during the group's 10th anniversary banquet about receiving a call from a network journalist about the alleged threat against Muslims.
"Don't allow this news to scare you away from practicing your faith," said Walid.
Audible gaps were heard throughout the banquet hall when the news was announced. Walid said he will call local authorities about more information on the allegations. He urged local Muslims to recommitt themselves to their faith in light of the accusations. From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100328/METRO/3280313/Seven-arrested-in-FBI-raids-linked-to-Christian-militia-group=#ixzz0jVn01AAv
I guess if the FBI has a Terrorism Task Force they need to find someone to use it on. :rolleyes:
I'd be very interested in learning what this group/these groups are accused of doing that precipitated the raids.
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Me too, considering that after the fact we learned that they really had no evidence that would justify ruby ridge, waco, or the raids on the FLDS compounds.
That's what I am waiting for, the explanation for the raids.
I didn't see anything about raid(s) in Colorado.
As an aside, CO-AR15 showed up on the first page of my google search 'colorado militia raid 2010', so that was cool.
Well, having no affiliation with the Michigan militia (I just thought the name sounded cool to use on forums...) I can't say for sure, but knowing a few individuals involved in Militia groups in Michigan, and specifically the one involved in the brunt of the arrests, they are very anti-authority and they were allegedly planning to begin targeting and killing local, state, and federal law enforcement officers. We'll see how it pans out, but I don't think the results will benefit any of us law-abiding gun owners...
That does not sound very Christian to this Christian!Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiganMilitia
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Originally Posted by Pistol Packing Preacher
I agree completely... If that really is their motive, they are just as Christian as Obama... [Bang]
Christians killing Christians? say it isn't so..
Better reread history...
Oliver Cromwell...Protests kill Irish/Scots Catholics for one.
Thing called the Renaissance?
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Originally Posted by SNAFU
Is that what we're talking about?
Nope, didn't think so.
if they are building pipe bombs and intending to kill people with it I can see why the FBI might be interested. If they were just plain ole people with some ideas then I would be a lot more concerned.
Who the hell sells pipe bombs? It doesnt take a genius to make em.
Anybody who has ever seen The Terminator knows how to make one...
I read on AOL.com about some guys planning to kill a cop and when the funeral happens they were going to kill more Heres the link
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/suspected-militiamen-charged-with-plotting-to-kill-officers/19417964?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww .aolnews.com%2Fcrime%2Farticle%2Fsuspected-militiamen-charged-with-plotting-to-kill-officers%2F19417964
iamhunter,,it was in reference to the above 2 posts,when I said that.
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Shhhhh.... "THEY" are watching....
[Peep]
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...cid=webmaildl1
here is a link to what is on AOL.
If what is in the news really is true then I see no problem with these people being taken down. they want to kill officers who are not the ones that are creating the problems. if they want to do anything to change this country, they need to vote out the idiots we have in office, make some real change by getting obama impeached and sent back to kenya.
Ex-fiancee of one of the guys (Andrea Harsh) was just on Fox - trashing her ex... and gun owners.
Stating her ex "wanted to own guns un-registered".
[Rant1]
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Originally Posted by funkfool
YOUR ex-fiance?
NO! (Edit: Not only NO... but H*LL NO!)Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
One of the guy's that was arrested or is being sought..
(I would never get involved with anyone that wasn't passionate about firearms!)
[Coffee]
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Originally Posted by funkfool
oh okay, the way your post was worded...I was like...holy shit call her ass and tell her to get in the kitchen and make you a sammich![ROFL1]
Martial law....[Sofa]
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/im...3/29/stone.pdf
above is the link to the indictment...
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not that again[Bang]
this is a way for gun control to get get stronger. i dont think a christian Hutaree would attack cops. most militia are about stopping the "NWO" (one world government) NOT POLICE officers! i think they need something to happen in order for the fed to confiscate weapons. my opinion only
The Hutaree actually had a history of making death threats against police and politicians.
I'd comment about how "extremists" like this do more harm to our types, but I'm afraid that some day *We* might be considered the "exstemists".Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiganMilitia
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Originally Posted by Pistol Packing Preacher
+1 Not to me either. I can condone killing only as a means of self-defense, when such force is needed.
+2!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pistol Packing Preacher
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Originally Posted by SNAFU
Yes, quite a few attocities occured in the name of Christianity. The Renaissance and "Dark Ages" were just that, dark. Those attrocities were actually committed for power (often at the hands of those in positions of religious power), not faith.
And, yes, I believe that horrible events still occur in this day and age in the name of Christianity, albeit on a much smaller scale. Again, I don't believe that faith actually has anything to do with that violence.
Just for starters - send ALL of the rest of the career and ignore-the-will-of-the-people politicians with Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
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Originally Posted by funkfool
Oh my goodness. What an absolute heathen brute he must be.
(What a bitter 8!tch!)
It sounds like Andrea Harsh (the "ex-fiancee" mentioned above) is passionate about firearms - just not in a positive way!Quote:
Originally Posted by funkfool
[ROFL1]
If they were actually planning to kill an LEO - with further plans to kill more at the funeral, that's conspiracy - minimal.