Just got back from the North Site and it has been closed by the Forest Service.
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Just got back from the North Site and it has been closed by the Forest Service.
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That's awful! I couldn't find a reason other than "public health and safety," did something happen, or was it just always trashed?
I was there a few months back and was talking with a deputy sheriff who told me that the locals were trying to shut it down for lots of reasons, but moslty safety(I guess the near by houses were getting flyers from idiots putting targets in the tress) and noise complaints. They did a test at the center of hwy7 with a decibal meter and it was reading at over 80 decibals which breaks the city noise ordinance!
This sucks I really liked this spot!
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Originally Posted by opie011
This pisses me off... another case of people who move in to a National Forest (is this not a public place?) and then bitch about traffic, noise, etc. The locals posted signs before about responsible shooting, which I whole heartily agree with, but I can't for the life of me figure out how they were getting flyers by their homes. The area is somewhat recessed and has a great natural backstop... were people shooting at the tree tops? I don't think so. I'm thinking it another case of I don't want people near or around me so I'll complain until they shut it down.
Again, another public access shut down by a few. Thanks Forest Service!
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This really sucks! But we all KNOW that's there's plenty of IDIOTS in this world that would think nothing of firing up into the air, doing mag dumps as fast as they could just to make their dick feel big.
You caught the tater !!!! [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by rondog
And so it goes. Everywhere that more than a few people gather will be shut down.
Last time I was up there the spot was pretty clean...
This really sucks I enjoyed going to that spot [Mad]
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
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Last time I've went there was about May2009. It was clean, safe, and orderly.
For what it's worth: “We are committed to finding a permanent solution to the safety concerns at the former Allenspark dump,” Forest Supervisor Glenn Casamassa said. “We will begin an environmental analysis to start this process by mid-May.” http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/arnf/news/20...rksafety.shtml
Of course this could mean they're committed to keeping it permanently closed, but the optimist in me hopes it means they want to allow shooting up there. I've only been up there twice but both times everyone shooting there was safe and considerate.
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Originally Posted by jake
Having seen first hand how they work I can tell you right now that the area will never be opened back up.
IF and this is a big IF you bitch long enough and loud enough they might send you a list of gun clubs that have "public" days.
I will not go into detail but unless you have $$$ and lawyers involved this is now a closed issue.
Agreed. Some of you folks can try but I wouldn't hold my breath.Quote:
Having seen first hand how they work I can tell you right now that the area will never be opened back up.
Hey, what happened to that link of the map of all the shooting spots? I check the "Places To Shoot" section but didn't see anything. Is it a sticky? Time to find a new place up north. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by rondog
not gonna lie...
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I love to bump fire![NoEvil]
That's cool, I'm not against mag dumps. But you know what I mean, the fools that point the muzzle into the air and fire 'em off into space like an Iraqi wedding. You know they're out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
I wanna learn how to bump fire my M1 carbine!
I suspect this will end when the forest service decides to designate a couple of locations for shooting and hires some people to run them. Other states I've lived in have done this and then had a $25 dollar annual permit to shoot at these locations. The guy that ran the one I shot at regularly wasn't always out there, but the area was open from sun up to sun down 7 days a week. He was almost always there during peak shooting hours, but was pretty liberal about the shooting. It was a win for everyone. Shooters respected the area and cleaned their trash or got their card pulled. Conversely, if you didn't act like an idiot he left you alone. He also had direct access to call for medical or LE if they were needed for injury or altercation.
Until accomidations are made by both sides of this issue, it will continue on an adversarial circle; forest service will continue to close areas like this due to complaints and shooters will continue to find new areas to shoot. It's stupid and eventually the forest service will have to address it as the number of shooters in the front range are large enough to force the issue.
So, does anybody here ever use the DOW public range on the north side of US40 up by Parschall, on the way to Kremmling? I've stopped there several times, it's a nice place.
Wish I read this before I drove up there this morning:( There were 2 Forestry Service people up there, both were pretty cool and helpful, even gave me a free map! What can I say I'm cheap and easily pleased!
Anyway, on the way back I took HWY 94 through Jamestown and there appeared to be an area there (couple of miles W of Jamestown) that poeple are using to shoot.
Special thanks to the idiots that got the North Site closed: [M2]
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Originally Posted by SA Friday
great post!
I would love to see everyone be respectful, clean up their trash and not act like idiots, unfortunately in every category or sports or entertainment out there, idiots make the headlines and cause the problems. I like the idea of a designated ranger for specific shooting locations, I am not entirely against paying a small fee (similar to the $25 each year to run a OHV) even though taxes from gun sales are being used to support the FS, as well as state and federal funds, DOW funds from license sales etc.
unfortunately the anti's want nothing more than to strip away all areas and turn them into flowery playgrounds resembling toyota prius commercials
please let us know of the new areaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ed_S
I've heard a lot of horror stories from people in other states about 1) Horrible range nazis and 2) Guys pretending to be actual range personnel when they aren't. Then, no one asks the person for their credentials for months.
I've gone there several times. It is a nice range, and the DoW rangers stop in quite regularly. Has a nice area for shotgun and handguns, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by rondog
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its unfortunate this has happened its like when ever a decent spot is found with a good back stop and someone gets it closed. whether that be other shooters or residents in the area complaining or doing somthing stupid.
i know i cant say much being a BRC member and the fact i can shoot when ever i want. i know we should have more members, but we have a limit i believe set by boulder county. i dont mind taking people shooting i just have to meet who ever first either buying or selling something or at a public match at any of the clubs since i am liable when ever i take some shooting!
sorry if I'm not making any sense I'm sick and cant sleep i have a 102 temp and i have one week left at school whats up with that seriously?
That sucks, now I've got to find a new place... and I'm not going back to Lefthand, that place... well the people there... scare the crap out of me.
Man this sucks. The South site is quite a bit further drive for me. Hopefully they will re-open it.
Son of a . . . gun.
I used that site generally during weekdays. It was always quiet, I always brought out garbage, and it was the most convenient location for me to shoot (the BRC waiting list goes on forever; I have no idea where I am now in the queue).
I was looking forward to getting up there in the next couple weeks.
They'll "start" the process for finding a permanent solution in mid-May. Sure. I'm holding my breath. The Boulder Ranger District would be happy to see shooting banned through the entire area -- ref. its "Urban Front County Initiative."
Wow, well like already mentioned, this is really unfortunate. That was a good place to go.
Yeah I finally made it up to the Northside few months back for the 1st time.[Rant1] and YES Lefthand is a bitch I am tired of going there unless for some offroading, there are a bunch of dumbasses at that site. There has got to be more shooting areas around close by. Hey how bout the shitheads backyards that got it closed down?
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I wish I would have seen this thread yesterday before I made the trek up as well. The guy I was with knew of a couple places close by that we could shoot, so it wasn't a total loss.
If the neighbors want us gone, all they really needed to do was build us a range close by, I would have left happily.
All I have to do is make it until the end of July, and I'll never have to deal w/this BS again.
lets just start shooting in whatever open space we like. and tell the everyone to pound sand. This is really becoming a pain in the ass
I've tried a few times to call John Bustos @ 970-295-6674 with the forest service, but no answer yet. I haven't left any messages either... will inquire as to what needs to be done to get it re-opened. (if possible)
Talked to John Bustos @ 970- 295- 6674, it was closed due to safety issues of stray bullets from national forest finding their way onto private land that surrounds that shooting area. Best thing he suggested was to contact Boulder Ranger District and get as many people on their notifications list. They will send out updates as to the progress of their environmental analysis and give people times and places to comment.
Thanks for that, I just contacted them. In the meantime I've got to find a new place. I have visitors coming from the UK in July who can't wait to shoot :D
I got a reply from them:
My request to them via the online contact us form:
Hello,
I'd like to be on the notifications list for this closure and the environmental analysis.
10-01-2010-02, Former Allenspark Dump shooting closure, dated 4/27/10
Is this contact information sufficient or is there another way to sign up for the notifications?
Thanks, -----.
Their Reply:
Hello -----,You are all set. I have added you to the mailing list for this issue. Thank you for your interest.
Elaine Wells
Visitor Information Specialist
Roosevelt National Forest
Boulder Ranger District
2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301
303-541-2500
Hope this helps - a few of us should be on the contact list for this "analysis" they are doing, so we can monitor and make suggestions if necessary to their findings.
I feel like someone just kicked me in the balls. I really enjoyed myself last time I was there and planned on going back tomorrow morning. Guess I'll have to wait the 10 years for the BRC.
Contact your congress critters:
Senate:
http://markudall.senate.gov/?p=casework_form
http://bennet.senate.gov/contact/
House (2nd CD):
http://polis.house.gov/Contact/ContactForm.htm
General:
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
Here is what I wrote:
Congressman Polis,
Recently, the Forest Service closed a popular, safe, and well-maintained recreational shooting area outside of Lyons:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/arnf/conditi...nsparkdump.pdf
As a long-time user of this public land, this closure comes as a shock to me. Over the past five years I have enjoyed using this public land for recreational shooting. It has a good backstop, is in an extremely rural area, and is perhaps the only location within the Boulder area where recreational shooting is still allowed and feasible on public lands.
I have always been a good steward of this area, picking up the trash I generate and any trash left by others. In the past year, I have been picking up less and less trash because there simply is not much trash left there anymore. The public has done a remarkable job of keeping this shooting area clean and safe. And that commitment to stewardship has only improved in the time I have been visiting this public land.
The Forest Service has indicated that the closure is due to health and safety concerns; however, the shooting area has been used safely for decades. Nothing has changed in the past few years that would justify this dramatic about-face.
Also, as an attorney specializing in public land use issues, I have grave concerns about the legality of the Forest Service's closure of this shooting area. This action smacks of arbitrary and capricious decision-making, which is expressly forbidden by Federal law.
I respectfully urge you to contact the Forest Service and request that the shooting area be reopened pending a full investigation of the health and safety concerns that may or may not justify modifying the public use of this land.
Best,
Jim Manley, Esq.
I was thinking about moving to Lyons... But if there is not any place to shoot nearby, probably gonna skip it.
Is there any place to shoot nearby Lyons ?
can't we just shoot in roosevelt national forest, I heard that you can. Don't know if its true
Nicely put BoulderLaw. Thanks for backing us up!
Man that sucks. Glad i saw this i was fixing to head up there soon.
And contacting Polis is a waste of time. He's probably one of the most liberal congressman in the house. He wouldn't even answer my email concerning guns during his campaign, he demanded to know where i lived in his district before he would answer. Fuck that guy.
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Yes you can. There are some rules but they're pretty straightforward.