Tased at the Baseball Game

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05-04-2010, 10:54
Batteriesnare

Tased at the Baseball Game

Long story short, a 17 year old fan ran out on the field at the game last night (not CO) and a security guard used his taser on him. Thoughts? Too excessive, adequate, or not enough use of force?

Video here:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/19456973
05-04-2010, 11:09
GreenScoutII

Hmmm. If I had a Taser, I'm afraid I'd use it every day.

I used to joke that if I ever snapped and flipped out I wouldn't go on a shooting spree with a firearm, but I'd get a tranquilizer gun and a whole lot of people will get a nice long nap with an orange dart sticking out of their ass......

Seriously though, to answer your question, I think a Taser is a great tool for law enforcement and private security. I didn't like fighting/wrestling with 17 year old kids when I was 17. I sure as heck don't want to do it now. That's the beauty of the Taser, one little zap and the trouble maker is twitchin' like a fish out of water. Problem solved.
05-04-2010, 11:12
ThunderSquirrel

Why chase the kid when you can just end it quickly? Besides, it may help to keep other would-be field rushers in the stands. Is running around a ballfield waving a towel worth getting tased?

And judging by that security guards speed... they'd have been chasing him an awfully long time if he didn't use the taser.
05-04-2010, 11:22
Batteriesnare

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderSquirrel

And judging by that security guards speed... they'd have been chasing him an awfully long time if he didn't use the taser.

[ROFL1] Very true![Beer]
05-04-2010, 11:29
sniper7

I think that is funny as hell! play stupid games, win stupid prizes![ROFL2]
05-04-2010, 11:31
Irving

Probably the most exciting thing to happen during the whole game. The MLB should cut him a check.
05-04-2010, 11:32
bowhunter

But with the deaths from tasers, would it be worth the risk of taseing a minor in front of all those witnesses? Could have ended pretty ugly.
05-04-2010, 11:34
Irving

Sounds like he should have thought about those deaths from tasers before he jumped into the field.
05-04-2010, 11:42
BigBear

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowhunter

But with the deaths from tasers, would it be worth the risk of taseing a minor in front of all those witnesses? Could have ended pretty ugly.

Personally, I'd rather use lead for those idiots that can't follow protocol, rules, ettiquette, etc.... but I guess I can live with electricity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart

Sounds like he should have thought about those deaths from tasers before he jumped into the field.

Amen and amen, +1. [Beer]

IBTDTMBV
"In before the don't taze me bro video"
05-04-2010, 11:46
sniper7

too late
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XWijwmvGU4

[ROFL2]
05-04-2010, 12:09
BigBear

hehehehe
05-04-2010, 12:16
cowboykjohnson

Quote:

Originally Posted by sniper7

I think that is funny as hell! play stupid games, win stupid prizes![ROFL2]

+1
05-04-2010, 12:46
Marlin

Well, I'll say this..30-35 years ago, Yeah, I know a little before some of you guys, instead of a pudgy SG, The players would have taken care of it.

Given the choice between the tazer and getting sandwiched between Joe Morgan and Pete Rose,, I take the tazer, Thank you..
05-04-2010, 13:00
Mtn.man

Shocking,, simply Shocking....
05-04-2010, 13:54
cowboykjohnson

^^^^ I really like your humor, I actually get it!
05-04-2010, 14:03
palepainter

At least the kid wasn't naked streaking across the field. I have been to a few Pirates games when I was a kid where the intruder was in much better shape than the players or the guards and the shit would go on for 10 mins or so. Even better was when they rolled out the tarp during the rain. Spectators would jump over and go bellysliding across the tarp with guards chasing after them. That was the best part of the eve.
05-04-2010, 14:11
Elhuero

Tazers are great tools for law enforcement. They have become somewhat of a crutch but for the most part have done 99% more good than harm.

little shit got what he deserved.
05-04-2010, 14:39
theGinsue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart

Probably the most exciting thing to happen during the whole season. The MLB should cut him a check.

Agreed. Fixed it for you, but agreed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowhunter

But with the deaths from tasers, would it be worth the risk of taseing a minor in front of all those witnesses? Could have ended pretty ugly.

So long as he doesn't vacate his bowels in front of everyone, I'm good with it.
05-04-2010, 14:55
rondog

I have to think that was a pretty good shot for a Thug Zapper. He was what, 20-25 feet away and on the run. Not really a distance weapon.
05-04-2010, 16:02
ChunkyMonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elhuero

Tazers are great tools for law enforcement. They have become somewhat of a crutch but for the most part have done 99% more good than harm.

little shit got what he deserved.

+1
05-04-2010, 16:23
Hoser

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowhunter

But with the deaths from tasers, would it be worth the risk of taseing a minor in front of all those witnesses? Could have ended pretty ugly.

Mess with the bull you get the horns.

I hope the little bastard got tossed in lock-up after.
05-04-2010, 16:37
KevDen2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowhunter

But with the deaths from tasers, would it be worth the risk of taseing a minor in front of all those witnesses? Could have ended pretty ugly.

Deaths are not caused by Taser Use. A supreme court decision made Taser International pay out in a lawsuit because the court said that Taser was PARTLY due to the death and Taser has taken that decision to the next highest court because they disagree

Taser is extremely safe and CAN be used on the elderly (Not that anyone would, hopefully).

Death usually occurs because of the amount of drugs someone has in their system or another issue that law enforcement is unaware of or can not control or both
05-04-2010, 17:34
Irving

I've only heard of death from heart attacks, and the guy who fell like 12 feet directly onto his head.
05-04-2010, 19:12
Ah Pook

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenScoutII

Hmmm. If I had a Taser, I'm afraid I'd use it every day.

Some days I'd need the extra heavy duty battery pack to go with it. ;)
05-04-2010, 19:56
sniper7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ah Pook

Some days I'd need the extra heavy duty battery pack to go with it. ;)

lithium, definitely go with lithium [Coffee]
05-04-2010, 20:10
iamhunter

No, no, no.

I'm not trying to get all soft on you guys, but a kid being stupid and running out on a field is NOT, in my opinion, justification for a taser unless he got violent.

Just grab the kid and drag him off.

Tasers kill people often enough. they shouldn't be used unless the offender is a danger to himself or others.

Take my little brother for example.

he has a heart condition, mitral valve prolapse.

A taser could EASILY send him into cardiac arrest.

And before someone says "Well then he should know better blah blah blah"

He wasn't diagnosed until he was near 19 years old, and had done more than his fair share of stupid things.

Luckily no cop ever tased him.

Why?

He was never dangerous, he was just being an idiot kid.

Tasers are a LESS-LETHAL weapon, not a NON-LETHAL.
05-04-2010, 20:12
Mtn.man

set your phasers on Stun...
05-04-2010, 20:26
shane

Quote:

Originally Posted by rondog

I have to think that was a pretty good shot for a Thug Zapper. He was what, 20-25 feet away and on the run. Not really a distance weapon.

+1
05-05-2010, 08:52
TFOGGER

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevDen2005

Taser is extremely safe and CAN be used on the elderly (Not that anyone would, hopefully).

So most of our elected officials can be safely tased?

[Help]

[Ole]
05-05-2010, 08:59
BigBear

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamhunter

Just grab the kid and drag him off.

A baseball feild is a large area for 4 or 5 security guards (who are often out of shape, etc) to patrol and keep people from running around. People know the rules. I say fair game. By the age of 12, concrete reasoning skills are instilled in adolescents. Unless they are retarded, they are fair game. They know the rules. As someone said, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." That's rough about your brother, good thing he was never tazed. Cops are not held responsible for an individuals personal health however. They do not have the advantage of knowing whether someone has a heart condition of not... Once again, the audience should know not to jump on the field.

Tasers are a LESS-LETHAL weapon, not a NON-LETHAL.

Here I agree. I would rather see patrols armed with AA-12's with those bean bag slugs.... I think that would be a lot more fun to watch.
05-05-2010, 14:24
sniper7

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFOGGER

So most of our elected officials can be safely tased?

[Help]

[Ole]

I think all of our elected officials conversations should be recorded...time to really know what kind of backside deals they are working wasting our money.

back on topic, I am glad the kid got taser, pretty funny to watch. again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
05-05-2010, 15:37
iamhunter

Quote:

A baseball feild is a large area for 4 or 5 security guards (who are often out of shape, etc) to patrol and keep people from running around. People know the rules. I say fair game. By the age of 12, concrete reasoning skills are instilled in adolescents. Unless they are retarded, they are fair game. They know the rules. As someone said, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." That's rough about your brother, good thing he was never tazed. Cops are not held responsible for an individuals personal health however. They do not have the advantage of knowing whether someone has a heart condition of not... Once again, the audience should know not to jump on the field.

A) He was shot by LEO, not security.
B) The poor physical shape of the officer in question is not a valid excuse.
C) Yes, you're right, cops cannot be expected to know the conditions of the people they encounter, and in case where the cop or other people are in danger, of course, go ahead and use the taser, but this kid was just being an idiot. who was he going to hurt even if he ran around for another 10 minutes?

He was being stupid. Not dangerous. And in my opinion, that does not warrant the use of less-lethal force.

We've delt with crazed sports fans for PLENTY of years without using tasers.
05-05-2010, 15:55
BigBear

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamhunter

A) He was shot by LEO, not security. Rgr, thanks.

B) The poor physical shape of the officer in question is not a valid excuse. Why not if they are supposed to be "our" "protectors"?

C) Yes, you're right, cops cannot be expected to know the conditions of the people they encounter, and in case where the cop or other people are in danger, of course, go ahead and use the taser, but this kid was just being an idiot. who was he going to hurt even if he ran around for another 10 minutes? He was taking away playing time, thus my money, etc... although I may say the enjoyment factor was increased!! [ROFL1]

He was being stupid. Not dangerous. And in my opinion, that does not warrant the use of less-lethal force. That's your opinion my friend and I respect that. More power to you. I will disagree. The kid was being stupid, and he got a stupid prize. Should we let the players deal with it using a baseball bat instead? As far as dangerous: in todays world, no one in teh moment knew that. The LEO are breifed in scenarios of idiots running onto the feild with a gun to take out 3rd baseman Bob who signed a million dollar contract with George because Larry didn't like the car he drove... yadda, yadda....

I think that we need to make some examples of people sometimes to get the message across that we will not put up with it.

I am in a classroom with myself, one other teacher, and 70-80 kids. If they start fighting, do I say, "Now Johnny, was that very nice? That's no way to treat your peers... Why don't we all get along. Give him a hug and let's sing Kum-bi-ya!" No, I kick the ass out of my classroom and make an example of him. Disobedience breeds anarchy. There must be a set criteria. Baseball players on the field. Audience in the stands. If they want to interact, audience can go wait by the busses.

We've delt with crazed sports fans for PLENTY of years without using tasers. I run into this statement a lot. Tazers have been around since 1974. What did people do before that? They used tear gas, billy clubs, etc to remove unwanted peoples from public places (fans rushing a feild). I know once at my undergrad after a great win they opened the sprinkler system (which didn't do a damn thing except ruin teh field!) Tazers have a purpose and I think it was used aduequatly here.
05-05-2010, 16:03
ThunderSquirrel

Since the security guard was an off duty LEO, it makes even more sense that the kid was tased...
The use of force is warranted when a person is 'Actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight'
05-05-2010, 17:50
TFOGGER

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamhunter

A) ... this kid was just being an idiot. who was he going to hurt even if he ran around for another 10 minutes?

Google Monica Seles.

Quote:

on April 30 during a quarterfinal match with Magdalena Maleeva in Hamburg in which Seles was leading 6–4, 4–3, Günter Parche, an obsessed fan of Steffi Graf, ran from the middle of the crowd to the edge of the court during a break between games and stabbed Seles with a boning knife between her shoulder blades, to a depth of 1.5 cm (.59 inches).