I'm sorry if this pushes some over the edge, just remember i'm a friend.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/...o_mosque_obama
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I'm sorry if this pushes some over the edge, just remember i'm a friend.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/...o_mosque_obama
I wonder if his buddy Reverend Wright will attend the grand opening. Maybe that's the "interfaith" part.
I've been hearing about this throughout the day and keep seeing the headlines for it across the web.
I just love how it's put that he "forcefully endorses" the mosque @ Ground Zero.
Yes, that attitude is orecisely what the followers of Islam are counting on. Much as they counted on it in Italy, Germany, Holland, Isreal, .......Quote:
Originally Posted by Obama
Bury a Pig Carcass on the site.
Let them be tolerant
I think he answered it the best way that he could have. He basically can do nothing about the manner as the President and member of the government. I would have at least liked him to say, "I don't like it at all, but they have the right to do it. This is America, and the only way that I could prevent this, is by stepping in and taking away the rights or our citizens. I'm unwilling to do that."
See, I'd get into trouble if I were the president because I'd say something like, "I don't like it, but as the President operating within the government, I can't prevent it without spoiling some of the freedoms that we all enjoy. Now, if a group of people, who were completely unaffiliated with the government, burned the temple down once a year, they'd have to suffer the consequences of their actions."
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Originally Posted by Stuart
So you will bring me Cigarettes on Sundays?
KIDDING!
I've been saying that since I first heard about this. That and putting in a BBQ restaurant (with LOTS of pork; of course) next door and have a couple of hot dog carts on the sidewalk right in front of the place. It would be just too bad if pork juice kept getting spilled on the sidewalk and door handles in front of the mosque.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Muslims built a mosque on the site of Solomans Temple, Isreals most holy site. They then put some sort of cemetary around the route into the mosque that (supposedly) prevents Jews from crossing for religious reasons. So, what if the same sort of thing were done to the gorund surrounding the proposed site of the mosque? Would not the Muslims have to abandon their plans? Something to think about.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
Menthol or Full flavored?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
(I kid back)
I'd open Pork BBQ (think smoke and smell) next door whichever upwind, and Dog rescue on the other side. What else? Strip club ?[ROFL1] Sorry to sound so hateful... but shit, everytime I watch the 9/11 clip, it pisses me off. What an insult for them to build a mosque there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Do you see churches in Mecca? Medina? At least then President PUTIN got the backbone to confront the plan to build a mega mosque in the Red Square. He told the kingdom of Saudi that if he is allowed to build an orthodox church in Mecca, he will fund the mosque in the red square. He never gotten responded and the plan was dropped.
nevermind... Ginsue beat me to it! Good Ginsue! Good Ginsue! [Beer]
I know what the muslims have against pork and strippers, but what is it about dogs they don't like?
They have more personality than they do.
I think its because they are "unclean" as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animalsQuote:
Originally Posted by jmg8550
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Muslims generally cast dogs in a negative light because of their ritual impurity. The story of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus in the Qur'an (and also the role of the dog in early Christianity) is one of the striking exceptions.[27] Muhammad didn't like dogs according to Sunni tradition, and most practicing Muslims do not have dogs as pets.[14] It is said that angels do not enter a house which contains a dog. Though dogs are not allowed for pets, they are allowed to be kept if used for work, such as guarding the house or farm, or when used for hunting purposes.
Just shows that (in some cases anyway) we think alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
As much as I despise to say it, he is right. Our important piece of paper says the government will make no law favoring or obstructing any one religion.
So government saying they cannot build a mosque on that site would be going against our Constitution...
So now, coincidentally, Obama's all about the Constitution? How convenient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
oh believe me, i'm all for them building it, because of the constitution. I'm even for funeral protesters, and flag burners, because of the constitution.
However comma
There is a place for everything and common sense ,however uncommon it is,needs to be applied to all of the above.
Chris Rock once said, "you can drive a car with your feet if you want to, that don't make it a good fucking idea"
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I don't see the big deal, so our Muslim president want's to make sure his people get to build their temple where ever they wish. Perhaps he'll supply them with tunnel access to the buildings that he would like to see taken down too.
My how things change when the heat gets turned up a little bit.
Obama's original statement:
"Ground zero is, indeed, hallowed ground. But let me be clear: As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."
New poll results (not to mention all the flak he's taking) show Americans think he's a dumbass:
From FoxNews: While his pronouncement concerning the mosque might find favor in the Muslim world, Obama's stance runs counter to the opinions of the majority of Americans, according to polls. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found that nearly 70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29 percent approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the controversy.
Now he's saying:
Obama: "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there," he said in response to a reporter's question after he spoke about efforts to aid the Gulf Coast region. "I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about."
White House Spokesman: "Just to be clear, the president is not backing off in any way from the comments he made last night. It is not his role as president to pass judgment on every local project. But it is his responsibility to stand up for the constitutional principle of religious freedom and equal treatment for all Americans. What he said last night, and reaffirmed today, is that If a church, a synagogue or a Hindu temple can be built on a site, you simply cannot deny that right to those who want to build a mosque."
This guy is a KING-SIZED dumbass and totally inept at relating to the majority of Americans. I can't imagine what a pain in the ass it must be for his staff to keep up with him.
It's the way democrats work, take a stand without knowing much about it then change your view as poll numbers show you are losing ground because of it - then blame Bush for the whole episode. It's just another day in the life, I doubt they are phased at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
It's Ramadon right now. We could end this whole rag-head problem quickly. One large, well placed air strike on Mecca. End of story...
Is it just me, or does anybody else think building a mosque there is just in extremely poor taste?
I understand they have the right, but what a slap in the face. If there really is such a thing as a moderate Muslim, one would think building that mosque in that place will not help their cause. If anything it will just cause them more problems in terms of being accepted as anything other than terrorists.
As others mentioned, I hope someone else exercises his rights and opens a BBQ joint right next door. In fact, I hope everyone in that neighborhood does whatever is in their power to make them uncomfortable. No violence of course, but I hope every Christian church sends missionaries to hang out around the front entrance trolling for converts, I hope the Jewish community builds a Synagogue across the street, I hope a dog park opens in close proximity, etc.
The way I see it, building this mosque in that location is akin to the KKK marching in front of the late Dr. Martin Luther King's home. Sure they have the right under the Constitution, but what a bunch of assholes.
I vote for a Famous Dave's. I'm torn between the dog rescue and the strip club. I think the dog rescue would be better because it would be easier to get approved. But what do you want to bet that suddenly the NYC Building commission would shoot them both down as being "insensitive"?Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
But what about a billboard within sight of their mosque advertising for a strip joint?[Coffee]
Wow.
Well, when the majority of Americans can't tell the difference between what's a right and what's wise, it is hard to relate to them. He said two different things there. They absolutely have the right to build their community center two blocks closer to Ground Zero than the oversubscribed mosque that's been there for decades. Is it wise? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Terrorist should have no rights. Muslims are a threat to this country and because of that they are terrorists. Our president is a RETARD.
What are you talking about, Islam is such a peaceful religion.....[Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by mx'r
When was the lat time you heard of a Pagan Suicide Bomber?
or a Buddhist terror plot
How about a Hindi extremist?
Here ya go... Atheistic holy war!
:D
I Say let the Christians and Muslims kill each other and we will pick up whats left :)
Funny thing is trying to explain to a Muslim that you are neither Muslim nor are you Christian. Most Muslims are taught One or the other... there is no third, fourth or fifth choice. I actually had an Imam ask me about all of that. He was a Younger guy for Imam, so I sort of understood.
I can't express my feelings toward this insane amount of bullshit.
Now would be the time to find an endangered species on that property....
Like an...American?Quote:
Originally Posted by mitch
That would be a white, straight, conservative American male :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Jake continues his streak of pointing out the obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
H.
I wish I could've put it in these words. But this is why it's wrong and shouldn't be allowed. As a matter of fact, we (generic) shouldn't even be having this debate:
by Charles Krauthammer:
"A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz). When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated. ... Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the [near-Ground Zero] mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and one-time imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists? An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed. ... America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all. These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there."
In a sense, I'll have to agree with you...which is rare (but that's OK). After all, the majority did elect Obama. And I curse them every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake
Or even female in this day and age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger
No. This isn't about building a mosque on ground zero. It's in the neighborhood. There are other mosques in the neighborhood. There are strip joints and lingere stores in that neighborhood too. Those wouldn't be built on Gettysburg either. Steps were taking to prevent the mosque from being built, such as trying to classify the building as historic. I don't know what Zoning regulations would prevent a house of worship from being built.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Krauthammers argument is that some zoning law should be enacted to prevent ... what, exactly? A mosque from being built in a neighborhood? Would it be worded as such, to single out an entire religion, or would we ban all churches/synagogues/mosques/etc from that area?
Saying that all Muslims are the same as terrorists is the same as saying all Christians are members of Westboro Baptist. Stop making broad generalizations, they are not accurate and counter productive to a peaceful world.
If you want to be pissed off about something, how about the fact that almost 10 years later, ground zero is still a pile of dirt.
H.
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1. Because Islam treats Muhammad as the "perfect man" and makes it normative for every muslim to emulate and copy Muhammad in every regard, this means that now forcible conversion by placing a sword at the neck becomes part of Islamic law! This is now cast in stone, and becomes an act of great piety for every muslim, because he is, after all, following his beloved Prophet!
2. Muhammad - a man whom every Meccan knew since childhood, in 10 years of preaching in Mecca, could get only about 100 followers. After 10 years of trying and failing to convince people of his claims to Prophethood, he left for Medina, and returned later to Mecca with the sword in hand. Once he offered the "convert or die" choice to the pagans of Mecca, his ranks quickly swelled to almost 35,000 followers by the time he died a few years later. This is the way Islam spread. Not by peace, but ENTIRELY by the sword. The numbers tell the whole story. His first 10 years of peaceful preaching got Muhammad 100 followers. His last 2 years of using the sword brought him 35,000. Islam had discovered the magic formula for fast expansion - put the sword on the neck and say "Convert or die!"
All muslims are taught to hate us. They are terrorists. Nobody will convince me different. One practice of the Muslim religion is Jihad. How are they not terrorists? So let's let them practice NEAR ground zero? Call me ignorant i guess, but we cant let that happen.
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Originally Posted by Charles Krauthammer
Comprehend what you read much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
I think it's obvious you didn't read - or didn't read well, or didn't understand, or chose not to agree - with Krauthammer simply to be argumentative.
Krauthammer clearly stated the mosque would be "near ground zero". I think everyone knows, Captain Obvious, they aren't going to build the mosque right on top of the spot where the former WTC towers stood.
Furthermore, Krauthammer was clear in his description of the perpetrators of the attacks as belonging to "a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed." Now, that may be a broad generalization to you, but I don't share your left-of-center and politically correct sensibilities, so it's pretty clear to me he's writing of the extremists within the religion.
And as far as what is or isn't at "ground zero", I'd rather it remain the way it is. A "pile of dirt" as you put it. I'd describe it as exactly the opposite...a whole in the ground. I, too, believe it's a sacred location.
And by the way. I don't give a rats ass about what you consider "counter productive to a peaceful world". Especially in the sense that it might offend someone of the Muslim faith. Or you. If they all were to disappear tomorrow, I doubt I'd shed too many tears.
So, with all due respect, how about you let me decide what makes me angry?