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A man open carrying in ME is stopped by police and thwarts their attempts to curtail his rights.
Audio only, about 12 min long. A good way to kill a few minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifv5q...eature=related
if this is in the wrong section I apologize.
I understand both sides of the story..... so I have nothing to say, lol. <--Post Whore.
General section is fine in my opinion...
I still think its hysterical that most people don't understand its is legal in most states to open carry.
I think he handled himself better than expected. Of course he was 100% correct. Most people wouldn't have stood their ground on principle, however.
Good for him.
I think it's sad that most people have a negative reaction when they encounter a firearm! lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
I agree, I also find it funny that cops never know how to react when a citizen actually knows the laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krasni
But like I said earlier, I understand both sides of the arguement so I can see why the cops wanted to name and know why he walking around and blah, blah....
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Originally Posted by BigBear
YOU, In The Car... what are you doing?
We've had reports that someone was driving a car in the area.
Sir, are you aware that THOUSANDS of people are killed every year with Cars?
We are going to detain you for possession of a car in a Public space and reckless endangerment. You might have killed someone with your car.
Just highlights that MOST Americans ARE Generally Stupid.
Operation of a motor vehicle on public roadways is NOT a right.
Carrying a firearms IS!
Sounds like the makings of a good bumper sticker!Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
I like how when the officer asked what the buldge in his pocket was he said it was a copy of the constitution
[ROFL2][ROFL3]
"What statute is suspicious activity?" [ROFL1] Laws and RIGHTS sure do slow down police work sometimes.
Nice post!
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
lol, great point.
Better answer (that would probably land you in jail): It's my dick, Dick... Wanna see it? *cue youtube video of cop patting down dude and asks what his dick was in his pocketQuote:
Originally Posted by TS12000
Interesting how ignorance of the LAW is no excuse for us yet our police seen to get away with it all the time. Don't get me wrong I support our police however there is plenty of room for improvement!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldFinger
If you try to talk to the ATF that way, you end up dead. I understand though, tax work is some seriously dangerous stuff and those guys need to make it home safe every night.
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Originally Posted by Stuart
Wife of ATF agent: "Hide the dog kids!! Dad's on his way home!"
HAHAHAH [Beer]
[Alrigh]
2 more LEO's schooled on our rights
hope it's not a crime in ME to record LEO's without their knowledge..
remember the MD traffic stop that was recorded by the citizen's helmet cam? They tried him for an obscure law that barred anyone from recording LEO's in the course of their work.
Well done, though...
I enjoyed it. My favorite part was right at the end when he was asking if he was free to go and they wouldn't respond, so he just walked away. [ROFL2]
Never talk to the police!
I liked the part where he offered them the statute about him not having to provide his ID.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a few years ago the Supreme Court ruled that if asked for an ID by LEO's you had to provide it ??
The findings of the United States Supreme Court...
http://epic.org/privacy/hiibel/
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Originally Posted by StagLefty
Maine does not have a stop and identify law.
Colorado does tho
The supreme court decision means that laws passed by states requiring ID are constitutional... it does not mean that's the law in every state.
1) Nevada Identify LawQuote:
upheld a Nevada law allowing law enforcement to arrest an individual when he refuses to identify himself, and reasonable suspicion--though not probable cause--exists that he has committed a crime.
2) reasonable suspicion... I'm Guessing being of the wrong ethnic origin is suspicious enough in most cases.
Those police were way calm and collect about the whole thing it seemed. I listened to about 5 min into it. At about 4 min is the point where Denver or Aurora cops would beat the shit out of you and then just get the ID themselves out of your wallet. That would be the good way. Other way is way way worse. One way or another they'd get a good look at you ID. If it has blood on it or not is your choice.
Too bad 99% of citizens are unwilling to inform themselves of the laws of thier state, even though it is our duty to be informed of the laws.
In reading the comments below the pic, the guy went to the station and reported the incident to the shift supervisor. Got an admission that officers were in the wrong and an apology from the supervisor. Chief instituted training program to address issues.
Other citizens of Biddeford should be free of such hassles later. Guy did a service for his community. Good on him.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalobo
I hope that it's true about the training program.
What's wrong with your cat :)
I understand his point... but really? I don't understand why it was such a big deal to him. Seems more set up.... just walking around with the Main laws and the constitution? Really?
I keep a set of the primary Colorado state laws regarding firearms in the trucks...Quote:
Originally Posted by ShooterChick
just in case there are questions.
It is my right to be protected by the laws of this state and this country, but they cannot protect me if I do not know them.
Just saying
and if anyone else has ever open-carried you know that there are the panicked liberals that will call the cops in a heartbeat.
That's the whole point, isn't it? When I go out with my camera I take a copy of the laws regarding photography in public places with me because not too many cops seem to realise that I can photograph pretty much whomever and whatever I want.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShooterChick
I have a Digital recorder on my phone... turned on and sitting on the dash anytime I get pulled over. (Which is thankfully rare.)Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
If you don't think you need an accurate record of police interactions you are naive. LEOs are people too, Complete with Faults and Imperfections.
and we spell it with a Z Here Jake ;)
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Originally Posted by ronaldrwl
Not sure what's wrong with the cat. It is not my cat, just a pic I ran accross surfing the net. I saved it cause everytime I see it I bust up laughing. I sure would like to know what it was that made that cat react that way and what will happen in the next frame.
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Yes really. Many people who open carry prepare before hand like this. It helps keep them out of jail and out of the hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShooterChick
I think the police handled themselves very professionally and politely. I agree he wasn't doing anything illegal. While technically the guy open carrying is correct, if a police officer walks up to me while I am open carrying, I'm not going to give him a hard time unless he gives me a hard time and these officers were clearly not giving him a hard time. After all, I am on the side of the good guys and I want them on my side. If someone calls the police about someone with a gun, they have to go check it out...why give them a hard time if your one of the good guys?
The officers in this audio gave the guy no reason to believe they planned on doing anything but writing their report, which they are required to do when sent out to a call. Why not work with them? Give them your ID, they run it and they say "Cool buddy, thanks for working with us, we'll see you around."
He wasn't ever really detained, they were just having a friendly conversation.
And now you are in the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
"Let's run the SN on your weapons, your DL and your SSN "Just to be safe"
Now your routine traffic stops will look like a scene from "SWAT".
Anytime you get pulled over it will be a newsworthy event.
"14 police officers and the anti-terrorist unit were involved in a traffic stop today when the driver of a vehicle known to have several a semi-automatic assault weapons failed to signal."
see you on the news!
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I hate to tell you, but if you have a DL and/or CCW you are already in the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
And Oneguy67 posted here the Colorado Revised statute which says when LEOs can ask for ID and it also clearly says they cannot ask for SSN:
C.R.S. 16-3-103. Stopping of suspect:
(1) A peace officer may stop any person who he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a crime and may require him to give his name and address, identification if available, and an explanation of his actions. A peace officer shall not require any person who is stopped pursuant to this section to produce or divulge such person's social security number. The stopping shall not constitute an arrest.
I'm not saying the police should be able to ask anoyone for ID at anytime but they got a call about this guy and they went to check it out. No harm there. That's their job. I don't think open carrying a firearm gives anyone reason to believe you are about to commit a crime but you can bet the the police can/will use this statute as a basis to ask for your ID.
IMO open carry should be legal and a non-issue everywhere, but not giving an officer your ID when asked is just a shitty move for tin hat folks who think they will stay out of those darn police computers by refusing. You're in there already, help the good guys out. The police aren't out there to get you. The conversation in this situation would have been 2 minutes instead of 12 if he just gave his ID. Then these two officers could have gone on to something more productive. Anyone who is or personally knows any LEO knows that they ask for ID almost every time they make contact with someone on a call if they think they are breaking the law or not. You would be surprised how many bad guys they find that way.
The real problem here is not the police, it's that ordinary citizens think that open carry is a reason to call the police.
I commend this guy for being cool, calm, and collected when speaking to the fuzz. I would like to shake his hand. It's a shame that the guy had to keep on repeating over and over again his rights to the cops before they finally took him seriously. If you focus on the wording of the cops you can hear how they were dancing around with their words never accusing him of anything and trying to come up with different BS ways to get his name ("I just need your name and address to file my report..." HAHA Those cops are a crafty bunch.
PS - if you get pulled over for failure to signal you have no right to refuse to give ID because that would be a lawful stop...bad example...Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
You do realize that there are 4th and 5th amendments to the US Constitution, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
I totally agree with this statement. Also, do I think that most cops would rather be hanging out at a bagel or doughnut shop instead of pursuing upstanding citizens walking around with firearms...ABSOLUTELY.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas