http://www.300aacblackout.com/
looks a lot like the .300 Whisper
but with relatively inexpensive commercial ammo to be readily available
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http://www.300aacblackout.com/
looks a lot like the .300 Whisper
but with relatively inexpensive commercial ammo to be readily available
I'm not sure it will be cheap commercial ammo. Doesn't SSK sell commercial ammo for the Whisper? It aint cheap. I'm sure it will remain more expensive than other commercial rounds like the 6.8SPC.Quote:
Originally Posted by arz
Copied from oa2.org
http://www.oa2.org/forums/viewtopic....light=blackout
"I received an email from a principal at AAC just the other day "announcing" this "new" cartridge. In his initial email he went out of his way to tout the platitudes of this "new" round, and really make it look like something new and better than what we had ever seen before. The main crux of his email was this:
He knows that Olympic manufactures 300 Fireball barrels and that we have had great success over the years with them. This "new" cartridge of which this gentlemen represented himself to be the "project lead" in its development, was so close to what we make that he said, "Your chamber is probably already within the spec", but that he recommended we go to HIS reamers, and "recommend you change the name on your barrels to 300 AAC BLACKOUT. People will be asking you for it soon enough." I informed him that they already do ask for it, and that Oly calls it the 300 Fireball, and that we have been manufacturing it for almost 30 years.
After several email exchanges, he wanted me to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement just to see a print of the cartridge. I was a bit thrown off by this, not wanting to get involved with or support an organization, project or individual that wants to push a new branding as an exclusive or otherwise fantastically new development, when it is little more than a rebranding that others have used and made famous over the last 30 years. Remember: JD Jones and all his wondrous rampages about anyone who made a 330/221 Fireball after he branded the name "300 Whisper"? Anyway, the whole NDA thing caused me to make some calls. After 17 years at one company and nearly 25 in the industry, I am not without contacts and resources of my own. In about 30 minutes I confirmed that the cartridge, although submitted IS NOT SAAMI approved as of yet. this was given to me as the reason for the NDA request. Hmmm... But I also received confirmation from a couple of inside industry sources that the chambering is almost identical to what Oly and others have been using for the 300 Fireball/Whisper® all along.
Specifically, I was told, "the headspace is exactly the same as 221 Fireball, the chamber is exactly the same as the 221 Fireball except the neck is .337 tapering to .335. The max case length is 1.368", chamber is 1.378 to where the case mouth would be. Throat is .309 for about .18 then it's a 1.5 degree into the bore."
Anyway the good news is they are advertising a partnership with Remington. Near as I can tell the partnership really seems more like a seller/client relationship with AAC being the buyer of ammo from Remington. In one of his letters he states that there are 5 Million rounds on order. Looking forward to testing some.
While I anticipate fully that the marketing wil continue with the re-branding of the 300 Fireball as the 300 AAC Blackout as the next greatest cartridge to hit the AR, we all know it is not. Something that a theology professor taught me about scripture and doctrine sort of applies here: If it is new, it is not a revelation. If it is a revelation, it is not new". Same principal pretty much applies to the AR after 50 years of tinkering. Yes, there will be some exceptions, most notably the WSSM conversions, but for the most part that adage holds true.
The best news of this, is if it all goes through as projected, is that the ammo will be commercially loaded and available in case lots, that will totally reinvigorate the cartridge, and in the end, in spite of any negatives in the process, I'm all for it.
It will always be a 300 Fireball to me."
Once these "new" cartridges become more commercially available, I'm curious what it'll do to the cost and how that cost will then stack up to the 5.56 or .223Rem.
I certainly like the idea of a .30 caliber cartridge out of an AR platform for more knock-down power, but I've avoided going that route as of yet due the the financial aspects and availability of it.
I am glad someone finally standardized the 300 Whisper. I would bet JDJ is fuming mad though. His fault for playing I have a secret for so long.
I will be making Blackout brass as soon as I get a copy of the reamer specs and a fired case or two. I have already done over 50K 300 Whisper brass so far this year.
Ammo is out.
Supersonic is about .60 a shot and subsonic is about a buck a shot. Much better than 300 Whisper factory ammo.
I have read the Blackout will eat Whisper ammo. Now SBR .300 Blackout upper firing subsonic on a FA lower would be a hoot ;)
I believe you are correct.
True. The Blackout is kinda like a 5.56 and the Whisper is kinda like a 223.Quote:
Originally Posted by splogan
When you get back we can go run my M-16 a bit.
from what i've seen ammo for it, both sub and supersonic are nearly 1$ a rnd still. I'm hoping to build a SBR in .300 whisper, but not in a big rush with the price of .300 whisper compared to .556
it's a pretty cool round, the BC of the subsonic with heavy bullets is great. and super sonic is about the same energy of a .30-.30 or 7.62x39
I see all of the posts in this thread TOTALLY got lost due to the rewind.
Oh well finally figured out and finalized my .300 BLK configuration.
More to come.................
I'm currently building a rifle in 300BLK. Got an AAC upper and a Noveske N4 Chainsaw lower. I can't wait to finish it and go out and shoot 'er!!! The good news is ammo is down around 5.56 prices.
http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/...300BLKammo.jpg
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Originally Posted by Sharpienads
COngrats! There is some good ammo coming available.
That is the UMC stuff and great for all around plinking and a good price.For 10 boxes/200 rds that is a little over $110 ducks.
Every I have read the 110gr Hornady V-max and the new 110grain Barnes Vortex seems to be the best for stopping power. In fact "Stickman" did a review nicknaming the Barnes the "Destroyer".
I have some 125grain Nosler ballistic, 147grain PNW range rounds and want to get some sub-sonic and that UMC stuff to take and make sure my new .300 BLK pistol can eat it all. :D
Mine is an SBR, so I figure while I'm waiting for my Form 4 approval I'll have plenty of time to stock up on ammo :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skully
Finally got a day off to make some Whisper/Blackout brass from 223 for a buddy in Florida.
2,500 pcs only took a couple hours. Now to box it back up and send it back.
Freedom Munitions is getting ready to release a commercial batch too, according to their facebook. They have pretty good prices on other things usually, might be something for you guys to watch (and if/when it gets under 30c a round, I'll probably build one)
This cartridge seems to be gaining popularity and momentum. I dont know why but it feels like this one is not a flash in the pan. Everybody who shoots it loves it.
It has been around for a very long time. It was and still is the 300 Whisper. JD Jones came up with the concept but was a jerk about the "Whisper" name.Quote:
Originally Posted by xring
The Blackout is pretty much nothing more than a long throated Whisper that got SAAMI approval.
So the Blackout is the way to go when getting into the 300 animal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
I think the 300blk has gained momentum in it's current state because of a few reasons...
1. It is a great, versatile round that can be fired out of a common platform without a lot of hooplah needed to send the scunyon down range
2. "Did you say BLACK....OUT??? AAC....BLACK.....OUT....OMFGZORS THIS IS QUITE POSSIBLY THE COOLESTLY NAMED FUCKING ROUND IN THE HISTORY OF ROUNDS I MUST HAVE A RIFLE THAT BLACKS OUT MOTHER FUDGERS WITH MY BLACKED OUT VEST AND POUCHIES AND BLACK GUNS AND STUFFS BLACKOUT OR DIE MOTHER FUCKERS!!!" - random gear queer
Just wait until they come out with a ".408 shootyouinthefacewith300grainsofThorsfury". That one will be going places.
Either work. I think the Whisper is more accurate, but the Blackouts different throat lets you run more pressure/higher velocity.Quote:
Originally Posted by bogie
Spook (a member here) built my latest 300 Whisper upper. Incredibly accurate and with a 20 inch barrel I can get some impressive velocities. I dont need no stinkin blackout...
Thread hijack sort of- can either the whisper or the blackout be easily formed from .223 brass?
I assume these are running real fast twists?
Yup. Cut the 223 back to 1.355 or so and form a short neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by xring
Most 300s use an 8 twist barrel to shoot the heavy subsonic ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by xring
Here is a picture.
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/a...f/DSC03039.jpg
Here's another comparison of 300BLK vs 5.56.
http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/...00BLKvs556.jpg
The ONLY difference between a 5.56 rifle and a 300BLK is the barrel. Same bolt, same magazines, etc. As you can see in the above picture both rounds are loaded into PMAGs.
The current Hodgdon 2012 Annual has some data for .300 Blackout. Thankfully, they are able to correctly describe what JD Jones has on the .300 Whisper, e.g., a trademark. Something even JD Jones can't get straight (writing in American Handgunner that he had "copyrighted the cartridge", which is nonsensical ).
From what I understand and please correct me if I'm wrong, the Whisper can work in a 300 but be careful about shooting a 300 Blackout in the Whisper chamber. Like shooting 556 in a 223 chambered gun.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeh1911
However,,, there is no standard version of the 300 Whisper. There is about a million different flavors.
The chair is against the wall.
John has a long mustache.
Now I am all curious on what on you were going to say? [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpienads
I thought the price for plinking ammo dropped, but after I posted realized it hadn't. So instead of looking like a fool, I just edited it to something mysterious, like "disregard".Quote:
Originally Posted by Skully
I just picked up 115gr UMC stuff for like $190 for 300 rounds. PNW is like $12 something for their range rounds.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpienads
Not as cheap as 5.56 but cheaper than 6.8. Bet reloading you can cut the cost down even more, just don't have the time for it.
in stead of "disregard" you could have said: "bet the weather is HOT in Florida now." or something. [Coffee]
Ok I changed it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skully
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpienads
See, perfect! [ROFL2]
......but was there a 300 blk rifle leaning against the chair and why is John not sitting in the chair fondling his new 300 BLK rifle?
Just bought a .300 Blackout upper for a good deal, and I bought 400 rds of 115gr UMC from cheaper than dirt. That should keep me in enough brass for awhile since I plan on reloading. Now I need to save for the can.
I am considering buying a 300 Blackout upper to use for hunting. Nothing fancy, just a scope.
I have read a ton of post on this round but nothing concrete. Is it a great hunting round or not and will I be wasting my money.
Your thoughts, please.
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http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=28938Quote:
Originally Posted by pistoleer44
Hunting? Depends...could be excellent depending on range/animal size. Inside of 400 yds on Deer or Antelope size game the ballistics indicate it would be fantastic. Look at the Atlanta Arms 125gr Nosler ballistic tip load at about 2300 ft/sec. If you are going to hunt Antelope at 500-700 yds, I wouldn't use it. If you are going to hunt elk at more than 200 yds (with a 147 gr load for instance), I wouldn't use it. Run a ballistics program(plenty free online) on the desired bullet/velocity and you will see the useful hunting range and energy this round has. I plan to hunt deer with mine. Hogs? great round for them as well.
Think .30-.30 rifle...would you take it on your hunt?...if so 300 AAC blackout is a good choice.
White Tail out to about 175 yards and hogs in my front yard. [Rant1][Bang][Bang][Bang]
Then yes, the ballistics on .300 AAC blackout say HELL YA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pistoleer44
deer out to 400? elk at 200?
possible? yes.
unethical? definitely!
i dont care what bullets you are running in a 300 aac, whisper or whatever you want to call it, it is NOT a big game round beyond about 100 yards. 125gr at 2300fps? that is ridiculous to use on any big game beyond 100 yards. it is impressive for the size of the case, but is NOT impressive in trajectory or in energy.
please do not take a 300 aac out after big game. odds are pretty good that the animal will not be taken cleanly. keep the range to handgun range and it could be ok.