Psycs, question please:

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11-01-2010, 11:43
BigBear

LEO/Ciminologists/Psycs, question please:

Saw this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/31...lloween-party/

Sentences in question:

... with "everybody diving for cover" when the shooting began. A man who was wounded in the back is believed to have been the target.

Questions/thoughts for those "in the know": What leads people to do drastic shootings like this? Serious question. How hard would it be to wear a mask (halloween party) and walk up to your victim, put the gun to the head and pull the trigger? Why the need for spray and pray? Why the need for even a gun if it's a true hit? I can think of four chemicals off the top of my head that can be put in a drink or injected to cause rapid heart failure. A little prick and walk away. Victim will think they bumped into someone/thing... Hit complete... Can someone expliane the pyscological aspects of spray and pray "gangsta" type hits? Just seems awefully messy to me.
11-01-2010, 11:58
KevDen2005

Yeah, it was Oakland, where the gangstas are!
11-01-2010, 12:09
BigBear

.... oh-kay.... No other thoughts?
11-01-2010, 12:19
Byte Stryke

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Originally Posted by BigBear

.... oh-kay.... No other thoughts?

Pie
11-01-2010, 12:21
BigBear

mmhmmm.... pie is good. That time of the year for Pumpkin pie too!!!

(I might have to send you one if you like pumpkin, wifey makes 'em from scratch! Good stuff)
11-01-2010, 12:24
TFOGGER

The gang bangers are, at the root of it, cowards. They don't want to be up close and personal, they don't give a sh!t about reducing collateral damage, they just want to sit at a distance and wreak havoc, and maybe take out their target, without being in actual danger themselves. Poison would require them to get up close to their victim, and it doesn't seem "manly" enough to them.
11-01-2010, 12:40
Irving

Gangsters know about guns. They are not educated and poison wouldn't even occur to them.
11-01-2010, 12:42
ghettodub

Someone who could walk up and shoot someone in the head, or anything without any regard, pretty much demonstrates a textbook psycho/sociopath, which in essence is a total lack of empathy without concern for the consequences.
11-01-2010, 13:33
rockhound

hollywood, monkey see monkey do
11-01-2010, 13:43
BigBear

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

The gang bangers are, at the root of it, cowards. They don't want to be up close and personal, they don't give a sh!t about reducing collateral damage, they just want to sit at a distance and wreak havoc, and maybe take out their target, without being in actual danger themselves. Poison would require them to get up close to their victim, and it doesn't seem "manly" enough to them.

Getting up close doesn't seem manly to them, but sprayin' and usually not even hitting their target is? How do they rationalize that?... interesting.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Gangsters know about guns.

Do they? Holdin' it sideways and squeezing off rounds while they point it at an object 100 yards away?! HAHA. I understand what you're sayin' though.

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Originally Posted by ghettodub

Someone who could walk up and shoot someone in the head, or anything without any regard, pretty much demonstrates a textbook psycho/sociopath, which in essence is a total lack of empathy without concern for the consequences.

Rgr, and wouldn't that be what people would want in a hit man? Usuing alterante weapons (poisons, razors, etc) would be quite/quick and the perp would be easily able to slip away into a crowd...

For a hit man, you want someone without emotions, who can do teh job quickly and effieciently without drawing undue attention to themselves.... not someone that sprays and prays....

I was just wondering what the difference would be between a "hitter" and an anctual "assassin" if there is something going on in the mind.. etc...

I don't know. Just something that caught my eye with the OP news story. So many better/easier ways to do that.
11-01-2010, 13:45
ghettodub

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Originally Posted by rockhound

hollywood, monkey see monkey do

meh, that's not gonna be the root cause of why someone would act like that. Weak-minded people may mimic what they see on TV, but there's a deeper root cause on why someone would take those actions.
11-01-2010, 13:52
Irving

Bear, you're talking about assassins and hits and stuff, after reading an article of drunken, college bar brawl and some dumb bangers?
11-01-2010, 14:14
ThunderSquirrel

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Bear, you're talking about assassins, Ninjas and hits and stuff, after reading an article of drunken, college bar brawl and some dumb bangers?

Don't want to leave out the ninjas
11-01-2010, 14:18
BigBear

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Bear, you're talking about assassins and hits and stuff, after reading an article of drunken, college bar brawl and some dumb bangers?

Yes... my mind spins. Bar brawls and dumb bangers and all pick fights for reasons I don't understand... but they go about enacting their "revenge" or whatever their mind contrives as righteouss very poorly. I was trying to figure out their mindset for committing their acts so poorly. There are better (i.e. quicker/cleaner/etc) ways of handing out concieved "justice" for street cred or whatever their purpose. Just wanted to know "why" people think the spray and pray type stuff works..... I not laying this out very well... grrr....

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Originally Posted by ThunderSquirrel

Don't want to leave out the ninjas

doh, I forgot the ninjas. Sorry. Don't forget the Secret Squirrels either.
11-01-2010, 14:21
Irving

The point I'm trying to make is that this stuff is done in anger. The stuff you are talking about takes planning, time, experience, etc. If these people waited one more hour to cool down, likely nothing would have happened at all.
11-01-2010, 14:23
BigBear

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Originally Posted by Stuart

The point I'm trying to make is that this stuff is done in anger. The stuff you are talking about takes planning, time, experience, etc. If these people waited one more hour to cool down, likely nothing would have happened at all.

Ah, good point. [Beer]
11-01-2010, 15:34
SA Friday

It's their understanding of how to gain power and respect from the act of killing another person. You can't respect his actions, because you have a different social pool. Doing what you are talking won't gain him the respect and power from his social pool as they wouldn't understand it.

Same thing with the baggie pants style. Know how that got started? Bangers started designating one guy in the gang to hang out with a cut off shotgun in his pants. Yep, big baggy fricken pants to hide the smoke pole. Everyone started seeing the baggie pants as a symbol of POWER. Tada, ghetto's full of baggie pants wearin mo-fo's overnight.

Want to stay alive in a really crappy and violent place? Be don't-give-a-shit crazy, or earn respect. Only women and the KGB/FBS poison someone they want to kill. No respect to be earned that way. Knife takes too much training and balls for the average banger. So, walk up and shoot him. But, most have no training so they just start firing rounds off to better the chances they actually kill the person.
11-01-2010, 15:47
BigBear

Very interesting SA Friday... that was more of the type conversation I was looking for...

Kinda sad that a bangers respect must stem from fear...

KGB/FBS ain't the only folks usin' posions! HAHA, I kid, I kid.... kinda.

I did not know that about baggie pants... so when does it transform into a trend to where the preppy rich white guys wear it? Do they honestly think that emulating the black/hip-hop/gangsta/whatever you call it culture is where responsibility/discipline/being a man/etc actually lay?
11-01-2010, 16:02
TFOGGER

I guess I was not precise...

To the gang banger:

Guns equal power

Power equals fear

Fear equals respect

as to methodology, the spray and pray allows them to use guns to demonstrate power, inspiring fear, and gaining respect from their peers, without the risk associated with facing their rivals one on one. Thus, they get what they want, without placing themselves in harm's way. A bonus is that they don't need any real skill, so not only are they cowards, they're LAZY cowards....[Rant2]

Of course, when they did a drive by on a friend's house shortly after the previous (gang banger) tenant moved out and he moved in, they got a nasty surprise in the form of several rounds of 7.62x54R steel core into the front wheels, tires, and engine area of the car they were driving. Said car was abandoned about 50 yards further down the street, with a distinct scent of urine surrounding it.....[M2][LOL]
11-01-2010, 16:06
Byte Stryke

I am going to have to pretty much stand my ground on this and redouble my original arguments

pi pie
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...pi_day/pie.jpg
11-01-2010, 16:12
SA Friday

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

I am going to have to pretty much stand my ground on this and redouble my original arguments

pi pie
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...pi_day/pie.jpg

-1 point for not reducing. That's 2 pi, or 360 degrees. I'll except the answer either in radians or degrees.
11-01-2010, 16:12
ghettodub

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/s...92/roflbot.jpg
11-01-2010, 19:46
BigBear

lol, you guys are awesome, thanks for humoring me.

I don't see how the fear works. I'm at a party and someone tries to spray and pray, and I do make it out... you better believe I wouldn't be fearing teh perp, I'd be trying to help police hunt his butt down.