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Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
Did someone get the "bad touch?"
I was just kidding with you anyway.
I don't really care one way or the other. My thought is that it really accomplishes nothing. If they have to do the pat downs than why do they buy all that really expensive equipment?
I am sure they will find a happy median in the future. Lots of growing pains....
I think the procedures are necessary, but really only protect us against the low to medium-skilled threats. Professional-grade attacks will get through when they choose. I think the rarity of successful attacks shows how small a number of true professionals we are up against.
The two recent package-bombs out of Yemen, those were pro-grade and we only caught them because of a leak. I doubt if very many of our in-place scanning procedures would have caught them. Frankly, if they have to mail their attacks out of Yemen, it shows just how few quality assets they have here in the West. If a similar set of package bombs had been mailed out of bumfsck Iowa I bet they would have made it past tons of scanners.
We are getting all worked up about a threat that's mainly pretty distant. The local sympathizers are a bunch of wanna-be's with limited real skills or training.
I think its a great idea. In fact, I think we should all have to get cavity searches whenever we choose to fly. After all, flying isn't a right, so we give up whatever rights and self-respect we have as soon as we purchase a ticket. There have already been instances of suicide attacks using 'internal' bombs so we need to do it for our own good. You want to be safe right? Then bend over. You don't like it? Quit your whinging citizen!
Its fucking pathetic what has happened to America and mankind in general.
I love it. I pick the line with 300 lb black chick with man hands to feel me up. When I was working there and wanted to have breakfast in the smoking rooms I would demand it just work up an appetite.
I don't know if its true but I heard that while the TSA can mangle and molest anyone that comes into their little world Muslim women wearing that head cover thing are not required to be scanned and during the pat down the TSA can only check the head and neck area. The only 2 places that bombs can't be hidden are the only places that can be searched.
WTF are they thinking?
they are not thinking,
security through political correctness, unless you are a us citizen.
the simple solution is in front of them, but they seem reluctant to use it, didn't they have the scanners set up with the avatar images instead of actual images? what happened to that option?
More feel-good bullshit brought to you by the TSA. The only thing TSA is capable of doing is reacting after an incident. Apparently no one in that organization possesses the ability or the will to do the things that will keep us safe.
This nonsense about checking every passenger in this manner is ridiculous. I don't recall the last time an 86 year old used his Medal of Honor to attack someone on a plane yet Joe Foss was harassed by TSA for 45 minutes prior to boarding in Phoenix. Little old ladies with knitting needles aren't the types that worry me getting on airplanes.
I was in Reno and watched TSA scumbags insist on removing a prosthetic leg from a 3 year old girl without the parents assistance. They weren't allowed near the girl because of "security reasons". The poor kid was terrified. Mom wanted to give the little girl her blanket while she was subjected to this and a TSA agent threatened to have her arrested if she approached the child. If you've flown in the last 9 years you've seen the idiocy and the abuses first hand.
I've seen people in US Military uniforms subjected to "additional random screening"...usually female.
TSA...the US government...American society in general...needs to buy a freakin' clue. These aren't the people who are trying to kill us.
How about we tell CAIR and other pro-Muslim organizations (like the white house) to go fuck themselves and start profiling passengers who look middle-eastern and have Muslim names? Subject them to "additional" and "enhanced" screening once in a while. And leave the majority of the traveling American public to go about their business in peace.
I would rather not have TSA even in existence...especially with the way they conduct business by bullying and harassing innocent people...than what they're doing now in the name of security. What a fucking joke they are.
I don't need the government violating my privacy or my family's privacy in the name of security...regardless of whether or not flying on an airplane is a right or a privilege.
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anton
Screw this, I'm gonna travel by wagon from now on!!! Actually about the only thing that pisses me off about TSA is that some airports have X-ray scanner. Do I REALLY want uncollimated radiation blasting away at my boys? No thanks, at least when doing a medical x-ray the tube housing reduces radiation dose to the part being x-rayed. I think if ever put in a situation where they want me to go through an x-ray scanner I'll just sing and whoop wildly, strip down to my underwear and walk through the metal detectors. Of course then they'll probably arrest me for disturbing the peace and indecent exposure!!
As a twice furloughed airline pilot, I believe that we have rights in this country that are constantly under attack. Security and freedom are polar opposites when being provided by a government. You can't have both.
We have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." No where in that statement does security come to play. We as American's have a responsibility to provide our own security, and were give the right to keep and bear arms to do so.
Flying may be a privelige, but so is driving a car. That never seems to stop the DMV from issuing a license to the seniors who can't see. Flying is a privelige that is paid for using a free market model. It is also the most regulated deregulated industry there is.
This is the same slippery slope that gun control proponents use to get more gun control. If we only get rid of passengers, aviation would be safe?
The TSA is going to deal with the public on this one, and I say good!
Jason
Everyday we become less American, and less free, and we sit by and let it happen in the name of Security.
Wake the hell up.
Are you all so stupid that you think this is a way to stop the terrorists?
The TSA is a bunch of loser morons that lucked out and got a job with the gubment. If any of us were to do a pat search of a citizen we'd have to register as a sex offender.
Until people make a stand and say we have had enough and we aren't goint to take it anymore then we will continue on a downward spiral into a military state.
Guess the Patriot act is also OK... http://www.coloradofisherman.com/for...t/rolleyes.gif
You guys will probably think it's OK for the Man to come and take your guns in the name of Saftey as well.
Must be young.
Ben Franklin said something like "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
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Illusion of security, nothing new here, move along you sheep
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...f0cb970c-500wi
Never heard of an avatar option. What is the option that is in front of them. Except equal opportunity scanning with special attention paid to people filling a profile of past terrorist groups.
Of course it won't. Because people are fuckin' sheep. Janet Incompetano comes on TV and says, "It's for your own good, people. We know what we're doing. The system works," and people will parrot everything they hear and mutter crap about "it makes me feel better to know they're trying to protect us." They're already all over the tube saying that. Absolutely pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
But you're right about people coming around to it. It doesn't take long to indoctrinate most people.
Ooooo. I started a good one.
Kev: I know you were kidding, just a little venting here. If she is hot, grope all you want.
[Coffee]
And I agree, TSA is all just a bunch of feel good BS. They are definitely not consistent and consistency is what its gonna take.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Hitler made the people feel safe.
It really is just another way that our government is letting the terrorists win with their agenda. The costs, the fear, the control.
My wife said that is she had to do the full body scan thingy that she was going to wear the biggest strap-on she could find and ask for a pat-down. HAHAHAHAHA.
As far as me... if I can't drive there, I usually don't go. I've been on planes and all but I just don't like 'em. I don't like having to pay for two seats or not being able to take my horn as a carryon, etc. Screw them, they won't get my money. If I get hired for a tour (like the last one to Ireland) it's a private jet.
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Originally Posted by Mtn.man
I think something needs to be clarified here; just because something is not an enumerated right in the Constitution does not make it a "privilege." That mindset, if you walk-it-out, can lead to totalitarian government state where your only rights are those they enumerate for you.
The sole reason they began doing pat downs was to make the backscatter X-ray more appealing. So people would be less like to opt-out. TSA agents refer to the machines as DMD's... dick measuring devices.
The X-ray exposure is only a few pico-Sieverts, however it's not the same kind of X-ray that we have decades of experience with. These x-rays reflect off the skin, and all the energy that dissipates does so right there. Traditional x-rays move entirely through the target. No amount of X-ray exposure produces beneficial results. Flying at altitude does expose you to more X-ray (and other highly charged particles) than being at ground level, that said, I would prefer to not have any additional exposure, thanks.
I think it's just a matter of time before real world images start being leaked. Remember, the TSA has *never* stopped a terrorist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater
The terrorists won't use the same vector of attack, because now everyone on the plane knows that it's not someone looking to divert the flight or get paid ransom. Terrorism is far less common than people seem to think. Any terrorist in the US who wished to create destruction has his pick of targets. If it's as common as politicians try to scare us into believing, how come they are so incredibly unsuccessful?
We should have this type of X-ray technology fully deployed, though. Sitting at the harbors and ports scanning each shipping container as it moves away from the cranes. No more 4th Amendment problems, no more human-exposure problems, and a chance to really do some good.
H.
Top TSA SlogansCan't see London, can't see France, unless we see your underpants.Grope discounts available.
If we did our job any better we'd have to buy you dinner first.
Only we know if Lady Gaga is really a lady.
Don't worry, my hands are still warm from the last guy.
Throw a few back at the airport Chili's and you won't even notice.
Wanna fly? Drop your fly.
We've handled more balls than Barney Frank
We are now free to move about your pants
We rub you the wrong way, so you can be on your way.
It's not a grope. It's a freedom pat.
When in doubt, we make you whip it out.
TSA: Touchin', Squeezin', Arrestin'
You WERE a virgin. We handle more packages than the USPS
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Originally Posted by Mtn.man
This, I am on this sideQuote:
Originally Posted by pickenup
http://www.9news.com/news/article.as...4269&catid=339
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"I really don't know who marked the box and said, 'Yes, now let's really touch them.' Let's turn from feeling where they would go on the back of their hand and going down - now they're doing full frontal, where they run their hands over your breasts, they will cup your breast, they're going inside your collar," Briles said. "If anyone pulled what TSA is doing, they would be sued and fired for just blatant sexual harassment."
I Applied for a job at the TSA... was scheduled to work and everything untill the told me that you have to grope the ugly ones too [LOL]
Next time I fly, I'm wearing a kilt.
With traditional undergarment(or lack thereof).
That'll teach 'em.....[LOL]
I was just going to ask about this. TSA has never stopped a terrorist that I can remember, yet they just keep getting worse and worse. Fuck the TSA and fuck anyone who doesn't see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
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Originally Posted by Stuart
Relax Stuart, Relax...
And remember, you can't say "Bomb" on a plane!
Nope. No relaxing here. The TSA is completely worthless. I won't even apply for a job with them.
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Originally Posted by Stuart
I never said they weren't worthless. When I was on active duty I used to get several one-way tickets because it was cheaper or I was moving vehicles or something like that. Everytime I had to be taken aside and searched extra (which is painful....j/k). I always thought, wow, I must really look like a terrorist....with my active duty military ID, High and tight haircut, and dress greens on.
So yes, the TSA is ridiculous...I am just saying relax, don't want you to have a heart attack
You can't make me.
i agree, TSA is a joke, they are power hungry and do nothing, if everyone refuses the delays that it will cause could make them rethink their ideasQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
I doubt it will. It will hurt the airlines, but not the TSA. I don't understand why the airlines are throwing an absolute fit over the existence of the TSA in the first place. Is it just as bad to get onto a train or bus?
It is not a right to go to the tavern, or walk down the street, or drive...Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let government sponsored and approved goons grope me to do those things either...
The 4th Amendment...
Read it, know it, live it.
Pay special attention to the case law on Blanket Searches...
Yes. You have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
And he kept the Jews warm too... that didn't work out too well for them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
There is not enough outrage over this...
I have an idea...
Use standard police investigative procedures...
Wife dead?
Where is the husband?
It's called results based profiling.
Because it works.
Ever heard of Occam's razor... the principle of unnecessary plurality?
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Originally Posted by Stuart
I accept your challenge
Ann Coulter wrote a good article about this:
NAPOLITANO: THE BALL’S IN MY COURT NOW
by Ann Coulter
November 17, 2010
short excerpt:
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You can't stop a terrorist attack by searching for the explosives any more than you can stop crime by taking away everyone's guns.
In the 1970s, liberal ideas on crime swept the country. Gun owners were treated like criminals while actual criminals were coddled and released.
If only we treated criminals with dignity and respect and showed them the system was fair, liberals told us, criminals would reward us with good behavior.
As is now well known, crime exploded in the '70s. It took decades of conservative law-and-order policies to get crime back to near-1950s levels.
It's similarly pointless to treat all Americans as if they're potential terrorists while trying to find and confiscate anything that could be used as a weapon.
We can't search all passengers for explosives because Muslims stick explosives up their anuses. (Talk about jobs Americans just won't do.)
You have to search for the terrorists.
As BG said People are sheep, alot of them seem to be on here.
They will buy into it in the name of so called safe travel.
God help us when the SHTF because most that talk can't do the walk and will be herded away with the rest.
Or "Hi Jack" [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
I think that people aren't necessarily buying into it because it makes them feel safe, well the stupid ones obviously will, but more because they need/want to go some where and flying is their option. Many people don't have the time to drive across the country.
It's just going to show that the terrorists have won. We are so terrorized that we're willing to spend billions and lose our dignity on methods to prevent things that have happened. A retard tries to blow up his shoes. He makes it past these professionals and the passengers stop him. Another dumbass tries to blow up his underpants and now we're going through Dick Measuring Devices or getting molested by the TSA. Just wait for an ass bomber!
Steve
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Originally Posted by funkfool
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This is the punishment for refusing the nude body scan for passengers who don't want to appear nude on live video or are worried about the skin cancer risk of the machines -- risks acknowledged by the very Johns Hopkins study touted by the government.
It is becoming increasingly obvious that we need to keep the government as far away from airport security as possible, and not only because Janet Napolitano did her graduate work in North Korea.
scary because its true... and funny for the same reasons.
5 years from now, a Television commercial from a "Non-Attorney Spokesperson."
"Did you fly, were you nude scanned? do you now have Melanoma or any other form of skin, bone or internal cancer? call now and we can get you compensation for your pain and suffering."
So when your taxes increase 450,000% to pay for the health care and compensation costs of your false safety, remember, They didn't catch anyone.
and lemme tell you, I have had many relatives die of cancer, that's some ghastly painful and expensive shit.
Back to topic.
I Agree that a 5 minute conversation would be more revealing while less invasive.
Note to TSA:
Muslims, or people with Muslim sounding names, are the ones you should be concerned with. Leave Mr and Mrs Average American alone already.
Fuckers...