Did you hear that China hacked 15% of the internet?

Did you hear that China hacked 15% of the internet?

Well, I guess right now they are denying it. Seems like a pretty big deal to me (especially since I swore they said 50% on the radio earlier).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...inese-servers/

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Nearly 15 percent of the world's Internet traffic -- including data from the Pentagon, the office of Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other U.S. government websites -- was briefly redirected through computer networks in China last April, according to a congressional commission report obtained by FoxNews.com.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...#ixzz15hZNKxjQ

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That's a lie!!!! I got hacked (up) in China once, but it wasn't 15% of me!

there will be a war with china within the next 50 years.

You need to be more specific.. such as, I will be hungry within the next 8 hours! [Tooth]

This seems like an act of war. I dont think they were hacking just to see if they could redirect a few sites through china. There could actually be a war over the internet one day? Hopfully it will be virtual as well. capture the flag with no respawn in Crysis or something.

RL is just like FPS, just better graphics.

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

RL is just like FPS, just better graphics.

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yeah but if you run around shooting a bunch of people in RL it usually is followed by a prison rape scene
(as a best possible outcome)

Al Gore must be really pissed at china...

15% thats B.S. I'd say its got to be at least 50%. Why? Cause they come here learn at our Universities then go back to China and share the info we taught them.

Part of me also thinks that the info they hacked is probably not all that valuable. I think there should be some type of laws in place for companies that have your personal info on the 'net use some type of encryption thats not commercially available.

I doubt there will be a war with China as our country is so heavily influenced about being P.C. we'd practically kiss there butts to avoid one.

I saw this commercial on TV where its a Chinese guy talking to a group of chinese in the near-future, talking about the fall of great Nations/Civilizations...like the Spanish and English Empire, and now America...

I hate to see that come to be....

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

there will be a war with china within the next 50 years.

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Personally, I don't mind giving them 50% of the internet -- 75% of it is BS anyway.

Empires last on average 200 years. England, France, Russia, Rome, Egypt... They eat themselves when their consumption outpaces their production, an economic law of entropy. Our days at the grownup's table are numbered, it appears.

I hacked Black Ops for the 360 yesterday adn am now a level 5 prestige.

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Originally Posted by Jer

I hacked Black Ops for the 360 yesterday adn am now a level 5 prestige.

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Are you 15% Chinese? Because that would explain your abilities.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Are you 15% Chinese? Because that would explain your abilities.

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Well, since lvl5 is 33.33% of the maximum which is lvl15 I would be doing twice as much 'hacking' as those peeps from China did on the intrawebs. Since they are 100% Chinese that would make me 200% Chineses. Don't try to wrap your mind around that kind of math... leave it to us Chineses.

I've always been interested from a historical perspective why this is. But you summed it up pretty well from which a point of view I never thought of....

And you're right it sounds like we are in the midst of it right now... sucks...

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Originally Posted by gcrookston

Personally, I don't mind giving them 50% of the internet -- 75% of it is BS anyway.

Empires last on average 200 years. England, France, Russia, Rome, Egypt... They eat themselves when their consumption outpaces their production, an economic law of entropy. Our days at the grownup's table are numbered, it appears.

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Originally Posted by AR_ART

15% thats B.S. I'd say its got to be at least 50%. Why? Cause they come here learn at our Universities then go back to China and share the info we taught them.

Part of me also thinks that the info they hacked is probably not all that valuable. I think there should be some type of laws in place for companies that have your personal info on the 'net use some type of encryption thats not commercially available.

I doubt there will be a war with China as our country is so heavily influenced about being P.C. we'd practically kiss there butts to avoid one.

I saw this commercial on TV where its a Chinese guy talking to a group of chinese in the near-future, talking about the fall of great Nations/Civilizations...like the Spanish and English Empire, and now America...

I hate to see that come to be....

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AR, you got it backward.
#1 How can private companies have such security measure that is not commercially available - paradox. There is no such thing as online security btw. Oh hell, Pentagon top secret docs are being published by wikileak on monthly basis now.

#2 The only reason why China is still buying US T bill because we have them by the balls. 60% of all China's imports and exports are produced by Foreign-invested companies. 40% of those foreign investment comes from North America. China has $1 trillion in foreign reserves in US dollar - not gold, not euro, not yuan. There is a lengthy reason behind that. In short, it is completely against its own interest to stop buying US Tbill, to have a conflict with US. True that lately, the relationship has equalized somewhat.

It is all about the economy. The last two world wars were driven by recessions. China were extremely aggressive on Taiwan in the 70s once it turned away from Tibet, India, and Manchuria. Yet, once they are in the 80s and 90s economic reform, they toned down 'war calling.' In short as long as the politburo is rolling in US dollars and have summer homes in the baltic, driving the latest Italian sport cars, they are happy with the way their current version of 'communism.'

BTW, China has been looking at the Manchuria, Mongolia and part of Siberia with much higher interest than Korea, Japan, or Taiwan (our allies). Those land used to be theirs and are rich with black gold etc.

I hate for anyone to fall for the Left propaganda, but I surely notice how the right's scare tactic still get the majority of people here.

I heard about this on NPR. They played a guy talking about how when the internet was developed by Al Gore, it was just an experiment and wasn't really built with security in mind. So in order to fix the "problem," the internet would basically have to be rebuilt from the ground up. Which is basically what Foxtrot said.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

DNS reroute attack is the method. News wont report on it.

The internet is all numbers. There is a phone book, called "DNS" that attributes names to these numbers. You type in a name, your computer goes and checks the phone book. Contacts the number in the background and you arrive at your destination. Imagine all the phone books in the country now - one for each city. Imagine a hierarchy now, where all the small cities phone books are "under" the big cities phone books, and all the biggest cities phone books are under one "master" phone book.

The phone # --> names in the master phone books (or big cities --> towns) can "fix" any problems with the lower phone books.

This, is the internet. I've been watching this style of attack and it poses in my opinion one of the largest risks to the net as a whole. Luckily, BIND is secure (what most of the phone books use) to everyones knowledge.

What china did is hijacked some of the phone # ---> name information in some of what would amount to the "big city" master phone-book, affecting everything below it until it was checked against and refreshed by the one "master" phone book. So only one "region" of the net was affected. And there is no way to do it accidentally. It was 100% intentional. The only accident may have been "We were not supposed to implement the DNS (phone book) attack YET"

This is the best way to describe it without getting you all confused.

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Didn't work...that made my head hurt.

chinas been hacking the net since the net started!
who do you think makes the electronics for it?
i use to play evrquest online years ago but got fed up with the chineese players invading a server and taking everything your character had
i mean a level 3 guy with all the good stuff armour weapons potions all the stuff from the highest levels
they would crash in and get what they wanted and crash the server
i use to see ads on ebay for all the stuff for your characters
im sure they still do it

Think China owns 85% of the net so what is the ?

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Originally Posted by zteknik

i use to play evrquest online years ago but got fed up with the chineese players invading a server and taking everything your character had
i mean a level 3 guy with all the good stuff armour weapons potions all the stuff from the highest levels
they would crash in and get what they wanted and crash the server
i use to see ads on ebay for all the stuff for your characters
im sure they still do it

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They farm on games like World of Warcraft. It is literally like sweatshop labor where they have people farm for rare game items 24 hours a day. They auction the stuff for gold, then sell the gold online for real money.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

They farm on games like World of Warcraft. It is literally like sweatshop labor where they have people farm for rare game items 24 hours a day. They auction the stuff for gold, then sell the gold online for real money.

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i just wonder whod buy the stuff?

Id keep the gold. Throw it in my money bin.

Another good analogy for the DNS would be using street addresses for your local neighborhood instead of grid coordinates.

the only absolute way to avoid DNS redirection or poisoning is to always use the IP Address instead of the "Name" or URL (uniform resource locator)


edit for example:
Honey, I am heading over to 39.780959,-104.89567
With DNS Becomes:
Honey, I am heading over to Bass Pro Shops, 7970 Northfield Blvd, Denver, CO 80266

hope that clarified everything a bit

Why can't more people talk in IP addresses? Its easier than binary but not as fun.