This LT. Col that refused to deploy a while back got hosed Tommy! I think he is from Greeley. Lost a 7K+/month salary, pension etc after serving lilke 18/19 years. What a way to end a career, a lil jail time, no money, no insurance. What a dumb ass!
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This LT. Col that refused to deploy a while back got hosed Tommy! I think he is from Greeley. Lost a 7K+/month salary, pension etc after serving lilke 18/19 years. What a way to end a career, a lil jail time, no money, no insurance. What a dumb ass!
Yeah I never understood the birther movement. This was a lame attempt at not going overseas. It's one thing to stand up for principal and it's another to be foolish. Standing up against something that might not be real isn't very smart.
old military saying comes to mind:
"you don't have to like it, you just have to do it..."
I wont get into all of the particulars of his retirement etc.
I wont even go into the cause.
I will say that I Applaud him for standing up for what he believes in, Regardless of him being right or wrong in those beliefs.
As a field grade officer, its not like he was facing daily patrols or anything. He was looking at a year on a FOB Pushing papers. Somehow I don't see an officer throwing that away at the end of his career just to get out of a deployment.
If you wont stand for something you believe in, what will you stand for?
I'd agree with you Byte, if the cause was just. This one isn't, His stand was pure stupidity.
Fact: His Mother was a U.S.citizen at the time of his birth. Therefore, Whether or not he was born in Hawaii or Timbuktu. Whether or not his sperm doner was a forgien national,,, He is a U.S. citizen..
And, unfortunatly, Dem's the facts..
What I don't understand, if he was willing to risk it all to make the point, why back down at the last minute?
In the end he made no point at all.
While I don't share the Birthers views and strongly dislike Bama for other reasons, I have to point out that the Birthers are not questioning Bama's US Citizenship, they are questioning his Natural Born US Citizenship required by the Article II of the Constitution. These are different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
While I think it has been proved a number of times he was born in Hawaii, if he were indeed born in Timbuktu, that would disqualify him as President.
But regarding the OP, I think that guy was crazy to give up everything simply to say he thinks Bama cannot be President. He either didn't want to go or wanted all the national media attention he is now getting. Still not worth losing everything.
Edit: I have to point out that the jury is out on what the "official" definition of "Natural Born US Citizen" is. Some say it means you were a citizen at birth. Others say it means you were born on US soil. The courts have been going back and forth on this since our independence. But my opinion based on what I have read about the founder's thoughts on it is that it means born on US soil.
Doesn't matter.. As long as one parent is a U.S.citizen. He is a U.S. citizen. Thus "qualified" to be prez.. (Note the quotes, I did not imply he was qualfied to be anything but a rabble rouser. [Tooth])
The same as McCain, He was born in Panama. I'm sure had He been elected, the wingnuts would have their own "birthers".
ETA: I did look it up awhile back, This was the impression I was left with after reading it.
I think a very big point is being missed. He signed and took an oath, he knew then that he might have to deploy one day. He didn't have any trouble taking the pay and benefits as long as it was to his liking. Everyone who has deployed has had beliefs and feelings about what they were doing but they did their job. He refused, that was wrong, He should have lost more than he did.
a swing and a miss!
[quote=Marlin;275050]Doesn't matter.. As long as one parent is a U.S.citizen. He is a U.S. citizen. Thus "qualified" to be prez.. (Note the quotes, I did not imply he was qualfied to be anything but a rabble rouser. [Tooth])
actually not true.
this first paragraph is new and would not apply to little BO, the red portion do apply to him and this is the issue
Although the "citizenship by birth" rules have been complex, the February 2001 Child Citizenship Act (CCA) simplified the process. Now, a child who is under the age of 18, was born outside the U.S., and has at least one U.S. citizen parent automatically acquires U.S. citizenship upon entry into the country as an immigrant. No further paperwork is necessary. The parent may request a Certificate of Citizenship and U.S. Passport for the child if proof of the baby's American-ness is desired.
But this process only applies to children permanently residing in the U.S. If the child is under 18, was born outside the United States, but lives abroad in the physical and legal custody of a U.S. citizen parent or U.S. citizen grandparent, the parent or grandparent must apply for naturalization of the child. In addition, more criteria must be met.
The U.S. citizen parent or grandparent must have been physically present in the U.S. for five years before the child's birth, at least two of which were after age fourteen. Further, the child must be temporarily present in the U.S. for the naturalization process and to recite the oath of allegiance. Of course, if the child is too young to understand the oath, this requirement may be waived.
At this naturalization ceremony, the foreign-born, foreign-resident babies gain not only a certificate of citizenship but also membership into an exclusive club. The Constitution rules that only "natural born" citizens can hold our highest office, so it seems these new Americans won't grow up to be President either. The regulations suggest parents who contemplate baby's future run for the White House may want to consider permanent residence in the United States after the birth of little George or Hilary.
True, But,,, From My understanding.. And I may be wrong, But his Indoniesian years started after 5. and prior to that, the baby momma was here in the states with him.
The whole thing sounds like a really bad novel.. But, not really worth getting all bent out of shape over.
Let's face it, He is not the first politician to tell a fib, and chances are, He won't be the last..
I agree, it is a waste of career out of stupidity and poor judgement. You can challenge Obama presidency in court, etc - but to break away from the command structure is unacceptable.
no bending out of shape here at all, [Beer]
just clarifying the birthers stance.
they believe that his US birth certificate, Certificate of live birth, was issued so that he could be naturalized. that he was in fact born out of the country.
the fact that his mom is a US citizen is moot at that point. he is not natural born
mccain is a US citizen because he was born on a US military base. he could have had parents from the planet Zartog, he is a us citizen as the military base is US soil even if it is located on a moon made of green cheese.
I don't care if Obama is the first child ever born here, he is still an idiot and not qualified to lead our nation, no matter what he thinks. JMHO
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Originally Posted by rockhound
Total agreement there... [Tooth]
My main point being, with all the other crap the bastard is doing, Where he was born is hardly a blip on the radar...
However, If, it does turn out to be proven true at some later date. I will be watching with popcorn in hand as they take him to the Federal "Pound me in the booty" prison.. Think the Secert Service would still have to tag along?
i would buy tickets
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Originally Posted by Marlin
As I Understand it if a President is impeached/ removed they are no longer afforded the same privileges as a President that served a full term.
My Son, Born to a U.S. Citizen, Being Born in a Kuwaiti Hospital, Having filed for and Granted a certificate of Birth Abroad is NOT a Naturalized Citizen. He is a Citizen Born abroad.
My Brothers, Born in a U.S. Military Hospital on U.S. Soil in Stuttgart, West Germany to a U.S. Citizen ARE Naturalized U.S. Citizens
Apply same to Panama-McCain/wherever-Obama argument.
I'm not saying the Lt. Col. was smart. Not even saying it was right. I'm Saying it took some serious intestinal fortitude.
It certainly took balls. Seems like him tying it to his deployment cheapened the whole thing though.